Welcome to Gaia! ::

The Teen Sex, Pregnancy and Puberty Guild

Back to Guilds

A guild for teenagers covering topics centering around teen sex, pregnancy, puberty, and other aspects of teen life. 

Tags: teens, puberty, sexuality, pregnancy, life issues 

Reply Miscarriage & Abortion Subforum
Article: Texas Bill Would Force Women to See Ultrasound

Quick Reply

Enter both words below, separated by a space:

Can't read the text? Click here

Submit

Nikolita
Captain

PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:51 pm


Taken from: http://www.keyetv.com/content/news/topnews/story.aspx?content_id=20c2b6cc-5c79-495a-adf5-9e05f2528972


Two bills submitted to the Texas Legislature Tuesday would force doctors to show women ultrasounds of their unborn children two hours before they had an abortion.

The identical bills, one submitted to the Texas House, as HB 36, and one to the Senate, as SB 182, were introduced by Rep. Frank Corte Jr., R-San Antonio, and Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, respectively. They outline the changes in procedures doctors would have to go through when a woman opts to abort her child.

Most significantly, the bills would force doctors to perform an ultrasound on the woman and display the image of her fetus to her, explaining the size of the embryo or fetus and outlining the presence of any internal organs. The doctor would also have to play the fetus’s heartbeat for the woman.

Before the abortion, a doctor would have to provide the woman written documents that outlined alternatives to an abortion, including information about places to get free ultrasounds, information on child support payments and a list of adoption agencies. The bill specifically says the information cannot include any agencies that provide abortion services.

Pro life advocates are in favor of the bill.

"We have women who come to us saying 'If I had known this was a baby with fingers and toes…' They wished they would have known that before the abortion," Joe Pojman with the Texas Alliance for Life says.

But Sara Cleveland with NARAL/Pro Choice of Texas says, "This exists to intimidate women into opting out of abortion. This is intended to take them during an emotional state and play on emotions and try and impact their decision."

Eleven states have similar laws in place including Oklahoma and Louisiana.

During the last legislative session, the same bill passed through the Senate but died in the House.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:09 pm


I don't consider myself pro-choice or pro-life. I am somewhere in the middle.

I don't think the bills are a terrible idea. Yes, they're clearly attempting to play into the woman's emotions, but that's not necessarily bad. After all, if a woman doubts her decision to have an abortion after seeing the ultrasound, then she probably wasn't positive that she wanted an abortion to begin with and needs more time to think it over.

Having an abortion certainly isn't easy for most women, and hearing the baby's heartbeat probably doesn't make it any easier. But if a woman is still sure about her decision after knowing all the facts (knowing the baby is alive, knowing alternatives to abortion, knowing what financial assistance she would be able to get during pregnancy, etc.), then it means she did put thought into it and is less likely to regret the decision later.

So while some might think the bills appear to be leaning more towards pro-life, I personally don't see them that way. I see them as leaning more towards "let's make sure the women are educated and have put thought into this so we don't have as many regretful women later." And that means doctors can go home with a clear conscience too knowing that their patients were fully informed.

And what patient doesn't want to be fully informed and know all the options and alternatives anyway? If I went to the doctor and said, "I'd like to get on the pill please," I sure as heck expect the doctor to discuss all the possible side effects of the pill as well as all the other birth control options out there, you know? That doesn't mean the doctor is trying to talk me out of the pill. It just means he or she wants me to be informed. So if we want to be informed about that kind of stuff, why would people put up a fuss about knowing all the facts about abortion?

LorienLlewellyn

Quotable Informer


Nikolita
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:16 am


LorienLlewellyn
I don't consider myself pro-choice or pro-life. I am somewhere in the middle.

I don't think the bills are a terrible idea. Yes, they're clearly attempting to play into the woman's emotions, but that's not necessarily bad. After all, if a woman doubts her decision to have an abortion after seeing the ultrasound, then she probably wasn't positive that she wanted an abortion to begin with and needs more time to think it over.

Having an abortion certainly isn't easy for most women, and hearing the baby's heartbeat probably doesn't make it any easier. But if a woman is still sure about her decision after knowing all the facts (knowing the baby is alive, knowing alternatives to abortion, knowing what financial assistance she would be able to get during pregnancy, etc.), then it means she did put thought into it and is less likely to regret the decision later.

So while some might think the bills appear to be leaning more towards pro-life, I personally don't see them that way. I see them as leaning more towards "let's make sure the women are educated and have put thought into this so we don't have as many regretful women later." And that means doctors can go home with a clear conscience too knowing that their patients were fully informed.

And what patient doesn't want to be fully informed and know all the options and alternatives anyway? If I went to the doctor and said, "I'd like to get on the pill please," I sure as heck expect the doctor to discuss all the possible side effects of the pill as well as all the other birth control options out there, you know? That doesn't mean the doctor is trying to talk me out of the pill. It just means he or she wants me to be informed. So if we want to be informed about that kind of stuff, why would people put up a fuss about knowing all the facts about abortion?



I sit on the fence with abortion, as I have personal feelings about the issue but can argue either side.

Initially I read this article and my pro-choice side interpreted it as pro-lifers trying to discourage women from getting an abortion. But then I read it again and saw that giving women more information before they get an abortion would be a good thing, as you said. 3nodding

I guess I just don't like the word "force." I'd feel better if they said they would give the woman the option of viewing the ultrasound, instead of saying "You HAVE to see this before we give you the abortion."
Reply
Miscarriage & Abortion Subforum

 
Manage Your Items
Other Stuff
Get GCash
Offers
Get Items
More Items
Where Everyone Hangs Out
Other Community Areas
Virtual Spaces
Fun Stuff
Gaia's Games
Mini-Games
Play with GCash
Play with Platinum