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Ghettobilly

PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:41 am


not to sure where to put this but i guess i'll just start with back in May. Back in May me and my girlfriend had sex for the first time together unprotected unfortunately. well a month goes by and she hasnt started her period, i get her a pregnancy test and she is pregnant. we were so happy but scared seeing as how we are both only 17 and she is a foster child. well i end up telling my mom that she might be because i wanted to see how she would react. turns out not so great, my mom threatened to kick me out to live with my dad who in return wanted to send me to a live-in school. i tell my girlfriend this and she says she will take care of everything if i just say i love and trust her, so i did. she didnt say what exactly she was going to do, so the next day when i talked to her. she said she took a bunch of pills, cant remember what kind, and she said that she was in the bathroom the whole previous night bleeding. im not too proud of this and she deeply regrets it.

anyways after that we havent had sex until about August. after which we always used protection and one time we had an accident (condom came off inside of her) so she took plan b. and the next week we had another problem (condom broke) so once again she takes it. my friend then tells us that you should only take plan b twice a year cuz her doctor told her anymore than that may cause problems in reproduction later. well me and my girlfriend get caught up in the moment around the 3rd week of september and we have sex without protection and i c**. and after this we decide that we do wanna have a baby together so about 6 or 7 times after this we have sex without a condom.

My girlfriend began to gain weight about after a month and wefigured after all that she must be pregnant, well this last week she started her period and it was such a big disappointment for both of us cuz we were looking forward to having a baby. also that same day i was watching something on tv about cell phones messin with sperm and what not and i constantly had my phone in my front pockets so now im kinda worried that something is wrong with one of us what do you guys think. should we be worried?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:11 am


It sounds like you two might need to stop having sex until you're both mature enough to have it. I know that's not what you want to hear, but it is the truth.

-If you two have so little self control that you were having unprotected sex when you didn't want a baby, you're not mature enough for sex.

-If accidents kept happening, yet you two didn't think to get a backup method of birth control, you're probably not ready for sex.

-If she decided to try to give herself an at home abortion with pills instead of just getting a real abortion, she's not ready to handle the responsibilities that come with sex.

-If you two think having a baby at 17 is a good idea, neither of you are responsible enough for sex. Think about other people for a minute. You're 17. That means you have no money and no time for a baby. Who's watching the baby while you two are in school? Who's watching the baby while you're at work? Who's buying diapers? Who's going to wake up in the middle of the night when the baby cries? Who's paying rent? If you two cannot afford to have your own place, you can't afford a baby. If you two are not finished with school, you have no time for a baby. If you don't have your own health insurance to add the baby to, you might not be able to afford medical bills as the baby grows. You need to put a heck of a lot more thought into having a baby before you actually do it. For more on that, visit this similar thread: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=13373069

So you two have some serious growing up to do. Stop trying to play house and have a baby when it's someone else's time and money that will be needed to raise this baby. At least have your girlfriend go to the ob-gyn and get something like the pill or patch to use in addition to the condoms. Actually, as much as I dislike Depo, I have to say that might be good for her. If you two are this irresponsible with pregnancy and birth control, something longer lasting, like Depo, might be good so you two can't try to get pregnant on a whim. Have her talk to the ob-gyn and find out what would be best.

I highly doubt you have anything to worry about with your sperm. Men make new sperm all the time. You can start keeping your phone somewhere else just to be safe, but I doubt you have done any long term damage at this point.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:52 pm


I second Lorien's post.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:55 pm


Its not that we didnt want to have one before because we have for awhile. she just made a mistake after seeing how my mother reacted to the possibility. and we have always told each other that if it happens we will deal with it, which is why we didnt mind having unprotected sex. its just this time around we thought for sure she was going to be and she wasnt. its not very easy for her to just go get on birth control or go talk to the ob-gyn because her foster parents wouldnt take her or wouldnt even touch the subject with a ten foot pole with her. and to top it off her social worker doesnt allow her to be in a car with anyone other than her foster parents.

and as for the baby. i only go to school twice a week for a few hours and after my girlfriend is out of school her social worker doesnt allow her to have a job which is when i go to work. and as for the getting up part, i do that all the time anyways for my nieces and nephews since my sister leaves them here all the time.

Ghettobilly


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:24 pm


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Its not that we didnt want to have one before because we have for awhile. she just made a mistake after seeing how my mother reacted to the possibility. and we have always told each other that if it happens we will deal with it, which is why we didnt mind having unprotected sex. its just this time around we thought for sure she was going to be and she wasnt. its not very easy for her to just go get on birth control or go talk to the ob-gyn because her foster parents wouldnt take her or wouldnt even touch the subject with a ten foot pole with her. and to top it off her social worker doesnt allow her to be in a car with anyone other than her foster parents.

and as for the baby. i only go to school twice a week for a few hours and after my girlfriend is out of school her social worker doesnt allow her to have a job which is when i go to work. and as for the getting up part, i do that all the time anyways for my nieces and nephews since my sister leaves them here all the time.


She can't even go to the ob-gyn and you think she can have a baby? Ob-gyn visits are not recommended during pregnancy; they're required during pregnancy. In fact, ob-gyn visits are required for all sexually active women. You two are being flat out irresponsible, childish, and careless by not having her see an ob-gyn.

You two can't just get pregnant, not see any doctors, deliver the baby at home, and be on your merry way. It just doesn't happen that way. Again, you two need to do a hell of a lot of a growing up and a hell of a lot of research. It sounds like you two are clueless when it comes to responsibility, finances, fertility, medical care, etc.

You think your part time job is going to pay for everything? I don't know about things where you live, but I will tell you about where I live to give you an idea.

-First of all, you can't even sign a lease around here unless you're 21. That means you two will be homeless for a few years to come because you can't buy property or sign leases.

-Even if you could sign a lease, do you have $500+ a month for rent? That's what you'd need to rent around here, bare minimum. You need to pay for electric too though, so plan on another $100 at least every month.

-My partner and I pay about $400 for food, toilet paper, cleaner, etc. every month. If you have a pregnant lady living with you, you might need to plan on spending even more than that because she should ideally be eating all the best food, including lots of organic fruits and vegetables.

-What about prenatal vitamins? She needs to talk to her ob-gyn and see what prenatal vitamins she should be taking. If she's not seeing an ob-gyn and taking prenatal vitamins even though she's trying to get pregnant, then she is being a neglectful mother already.

-What about your car payment? You two better have a car and gas money so she can get to doctor's appointments and the store.

-Does she have health insurance for herself that she can add the baby to? If not, you better have thousands in the bank to devote to medical bills.

In short, it is impossible for you to provide adequate care for a baby at this time. You seriously need to stop being selfish and wait until you can actually care for a baby. If you have a baby right now, I have no doubt it will not turn out well, and I would be quite surprised if the baby was not taken away from you. I'm sorry, but it is the truth. You need to look beyond your own desires and think about what is actually best for the baby.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:31 pm


Er.

Like what LorienLlewellyn said, you actually do have to have alot of money saved up in your bank accounts. And if you don't go to those appointments your baby could die, or even your girlfriend. Babies aren't free or just hatch out of eggs.

I guess i'm a lucky person in a way, because i've been babysitting, and has had a good job in a small clinic, since i've been 10 and have been saying up for after college.

Sorry if i keep bumping up threads..

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:59 am


HinataSinger
Er.

Like what LorienLlewellyn said, you actually do have to have alot of money saved up in your bank accounts. And if you don't go to those appointments your baby could die, or even your girlfriend. Babies aren't free or just hatch out of eggs.

I guess i'm a lucky person in a way, because i've been babysitting, and has had a good job in a small clinic, since i've been 10 and have been saying up for after college.

Sorry if i keep bumping up threads..


It's ok, the thread wasn't old. smile

I live in Canada, so things like seeing an OB-GYN and going to appointments is almost always free (covered) for us. At least I've never heard of paying to see an OB-GYN. So I can only imagine how much it'd actually cost to have to pay to see one. sweatdrop I've heard that a simple check-up or appointment with a regular doctor can run as high as $75 - $80.

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As others have already said, you need to have lots and lots of money. Going on welfare usually isn't enough, as I'm sure my friend would tell you.

Lorien said where she lives, you can't sign a lease until you're 21. In my part of Canada, you can do it when you're 17, but you need the money to pay for rent. Having only a part-time job is barely enough to cover the costs of two people, if not impossible, let alone two people and a baby.

My boyfriend and I are currently paying $675 a month for rent - a technically one (could be two) bedroom basement suite. He pays an additional like, $40 a month for our phone, and then $30 more a month so I can have cable TV. So we look at about $750 a month just for bills. Food is usually about $400 a month, and then anything leftover goes to paying off our debt, or we'll splurge and maybe spend a little money on ourselves. And I fully admit we're living off his money - if we were not dating, I'd be completely ******** for money and would probably have to move in with friends or go live closer to my parents ( talk2hand ). I've been waiting to have kids for a few years, but we both know we don't have enough money (and welfare isn't an option), so we're waiting.

I agree with Lorien that you need your own transportation. In an emergency, taking the bus or calling someone for a ride doesn't cut it if you need to leave right away. So you're looking at thousands of dollars for a vehicle, new or used, and then you need insurance, money for gas, money set aside for repairs, etc.

As Lorien also touched on in her first post, if you two were somehow allowed to keep the baby, I'd be more than willing to bet that your parents and her foster parents would have to get involved to either help pay for the baby's expenses, baby-sit, etc. And that's not fair to your guys' parents. They probably don't want to have to raise another child when they're still busy raising you.

Nevermind that your relationship might not survive having a baby. Having children puts sometimes unforseen stresses on a couple and they break up. Then you have to deal with paying child support, work out custody with your girlfriend, etc.

It sounds like Lorien and others are being harsh, but we're trying to make you see and understand things you don't appear to yet understand. It's not like you can have a baby without getting anyone else involved, go on welfare (or live on your part-time job) and have a baby. At your age, with the problems and situations you guys are living with now, it'd be very, very hard to have a baby. And in the end, it's not fair to the baby. I have a friend who's on welfare (income assistance) and has been since her baby was born, and while I know she loves her daughter, money has always been a very stressful issue. Being in welfare helps her but limits her at the same time, and she hasn't always been able to provide for her child the way she'd like to. It's not fair to bring a child into the world and have it be a burden because it was born. Your future child deserves better than that.

We're being hard on you because you both need to hear it. You both need to grow up, save money, test your relationship and get her straightened out BEFORE you have a baby. When you've been together for awhile, she gets her issues straightened out (the whole taking pills thing, etc), when you BOTH grow up and mature a bit, and when you have tons of money saved up, then you should think about having a baby. But not now and not anytime soon.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:33 pm


Niko, you brought up some bills that I forgot about! Between land line and cell, we pay about $75 a month. Internet, we pay about $100 a month because we pay for a business account. Cable, I think we pay about another $100 because we have that DVR thingie. So we pay a pretty huge amount of money each month, and that's just for fairly basic stuff. We almost never buy extras. Now image if we threw diapers, baby food, toys, and baby clothes in there too. Yikes.

As for welfare, I agree that it's usually not enough. My mother was on it when she got hurt at work, and it was not enough to pay for everything. She was getting eviction notices.

And yeah, I am sure I sound like a b***h in these threads. xp Part of it is because it genuinely pisses me off when people are so selfish that they literally cannot see beyond their own desire to have a baby and give no thought whatsoever to what the baby needs. Sorry, it's how I feel. I always wonder if my harshness makes some people tune me out. Probably. But my father was harsh with me, and I think he did all right. xp

My father did a good job of teaching me the value of a dollar at a young age, but even so, I think kids still can't fully visualize it. I remember being 16 and thinking about moving out. It seemed so easy and inexpensive at the time. But after college, when I actually moved out, I said, "Holy Christ!" It's just so much more expensive than it seems. My heater broke, and I couldn't afford to fix it. Then my hot water heater broke, and I could not afford to fix it. I was working, but even so, I had to live for one year (in New York state mind you) with no heat and no hot water because I had no money left after I paid the bills. I'll admit that if I didn't meet my current partner and move in with him when I did, I probably would have gone into prostitution.

There's a difference between "not the absolute perfect time" and "just plain unfair to the baby and to all the other people who will need to support the baby because you can't do it." My partner makes enough money for both of us. Money would be tight if we had a baby right now, but we could do it. A major thing that's holding us back is our house. It's really laid out quite poorly, and there's no privacy. So bringing a third person into it would be quite awkward. You might be thinking "Who cares? You don't need privacy from a baby," but babies grow up. And if we get pregnant time and money would both be short, so moving would be almost impossible. So we're hoping to move before getting pregnant. I don't have health insurance, but I could get it. He has it, and I could be added to it. We just haven't done that yet because we'll have to pay more when we do. Same for a baby.

As for ob-gyn appointments, they're free in Canada and the US at least, so there's no reason not to get them if you live there. Even though my general health care isn't free here in the US, ob-gyn visits are covered. Planned Parenthood and Family Planning are life savers. I don't know if the original poster is still reading this or if my nagging has scared him off, but for anyone who's not getting ob-gyn visits, please read this http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=13158103 And that's just general checkups. Even they can mean the difference between life and death. When pregnancy is involved, ob-gyn become even more important. As Hinata said, failing to see an ob-gyn during pregnancy actually can mean loss of life for the woman, the baby, or both.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:59 pm


I got pregnant when I was 17 [18 now], so I know exactly what they are talking about. This wasn't a planned pregnancy, per say. My fiancee and I had only spoken of what we would do should this little problem arise.

And then boom. I ended up pregnant after a very irresponsible night we had. Ever since then, life has been HARD. I've been on homebound schooling since I got pregnant because I'm high-risk. Sure, I'm still going to school, but do you know what its like to be at home 24-7 and have to quit your first real, good paying job? Your girlfriend, as ready as she might be, wouldn't like that. Not to mention the fact that she's in foster care. Her foster-parents could get in so much trouble, do you know that? They could loose their license over you two being immature.

Anyway, I lost my Medicaid for almost three months because I married the father of my child. I didn't see a doctor for almost six weeks during that time and then I got to a clinic that had a sliding fee program. I paid $15 a visit, but had to pay for lab work and ultrasounds. I had almost $2000 racked up by the end of my fifth month of pregnancy. You can't pay that on a part-time job that's paying you minimum wage.

Now my husband and I recieve food stamps. I nice chunk of change that helps a lot. Our rent is $300 plus gas. Not bad for a crappy trailer. But, we also have friends living with us now just to help pay that because my husband just got fired from his job. Now there's something you didn't consider either, did you? Oh, not to mention car insurance, you have to have car insurance. That's another $100 a month, plus huge gas prices even if you have a fuel efficient car. Alone, you're going to be paying probably nearly $1000 in expenses just for you two, but a baby? Oh man.

Can you afford a two bedroom apartment or trailer, even if you could lease one? It has to be two bedrooms. No one will lease you a one bedroom if you have a baby on the way. We tried. Two heartbeats per room, they told us [though it would be three in one for a little while, technically]. So, if you can't dish out the 500+ a month, plus deposit, forget it.

My husband and I were lucky enough that both side of our family supported us at the beginning and helped us a lot. I wouldn't have ANYTHING for the coming of our child if it wasn't for other people, but it sounds like your family isn't like that.

Like Lorien and Niko said, you're being very selfish, immature, and irresponsible by saying, "Let's have a baby!" You're still children yourselves. I'm speaking from experience, don't do it. Wait until you can support yourselves well before considering a baby. And wait until your girlfriend can go see a doctor.
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