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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:30 pm


Soulless Perfection
The Nameless Liberty
Soulless Perfection
The Nameless Liberty
I wouldn't call myself a classical guitar player, but (and I know this is gonna sound lame) i'd like to learn. A neo-classical shredder would be amazing.

any good pieces to study or good players to listen to? Juuts things to get me started with?
Neo-classical actually does interest me as well (kinda like Ygnwie Malmsteen) only thing about classical pieces is to actually play a real classical piece you must do the Melody and Harmony which most likely requires fingerpicking in a very advanced stage which to begin i haven't even picked up fingerpicking yet.

Yngwie didn't really get me into it... it was Symphony X's Michael Romeo that did.

Yeah... some are really hard. I tried to learn Bouree in E Minor awhile ago by J.S. Bach (if i'm not mistaken) and I falied... but I want a classical guitar, since I should be able to do it now... it has been over a year. Fingerpicking i'm alright at... it's just getting the weird chord shapes is what i'm not used to, or doing different progressions, and making sure to pick only certain strings over others (the 4th and 3rd are the hardest for me)

My first guitar was a classical guitar...trust me you don't want those. It was a cheap 100 dollar guitar but still its nothing close to acoustic...i mean unlike acoustic its very limited to certain tones. If i were you i'd get an acoustic and fingerpick on that...i mean the strings on classical are considerably lighter but the tone in my opinion doesn't match acoustic.
I'd suggest getting a nice classical if your going for it cause cheap one ares pretty bad...last i checked.

A thank you. That was what I probably planned on doing... i've tried a Classical guitar and a couple acoustics, and like the acoustics more. Thank you smile
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:12 pm


The Nameless Liberty
Soulless Perfection
The Nameless Liberty
Soulless Perfection
The Nameless Liberty
I wouldn't call myself a classical guitar player, but (and I know this is gonna sound lame) i'd like to learn. A neo-classical shredder would be amazing.

any good pieces to study or good players to listen to? Juuts things to get me started with?
Neo-classical actually does interest me as well (kinda like Ygnwie Malmsteen) only thing about classical pieces is to actually play a real classical piece you must do the Melody and Harmony which most likely requires fingerpicking in a very advanced stage which to begin i haven't even picked up fingerpicking yet.

Yngwie didn't really get me into it... it was Symphony X's Michael Romeo that did.

Yeah... some are really hard. I tried to learn Bouree in E Minor awhile ago by J.S. Bach (if i'm not mistaken) and I falied... but I want a classical guitar, since I should be able to do it now... it has been over a year. Fingerpicking i'm alright at... it's just getting the weird chord shapes is what i'm not used to, or doing different progressions, and making sure to pick only certain strings over others (the 4th and 3rd are the hardest for me)

My first guitar was a classical guitar...trust me you don't want those. It was a cheap 100 dollar guitar but still its nothing close to acoustic...i mean unlike acoustic its very limited to certain tones. If i were you i'd get an acoustic and fingerpick on that...i mean the strings on classical are considerably lighter but the tone in my opinion doesn't match acoustic.
I'd suggest getting a nice classical if your going for it cause cheap one ares pretty bad...last i checked.

A thank you. That was what I probably planned on doing... i've tried a Classical guitar and a couple acoustics, and like the acoustics more. Thank you smile
i've very post modern in my musical tastes but perhaps you recognize some of these songs...When i was first starting out with my classical (this was before i got acoustic) i tried some beginner songs such as Never To Late by Three Days Grace or 45 by Shinedown which are both acoustic songs. These songs truthfully sounded nothing like real acoustic guitar and they sounded pretty lame. I think the regular acoustic guitar has verstality but if your really going for the classical sound and strict fingerpicking then perhaps classical would be for you.
On the other hand songs like One by metallica are very difficult to get the darker tone that the end of the song One has...it sounds a lot more powerful with a regular acoustic.

AnonymousGuitarist


roguegdi

Dapper Raider

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:08 pm


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My first guitar was a classical guitar...trust me you don't want those. It was a cheap 100 dollar guitar but still its nothing close to acoustic...i mean unlike acoustic its very limited to certain tones. If i were you i'd get an acoustic and fingerpick on that...i mean the strings on classical are considerably lighter but the tone in my opinion doesn't match acoustic.
I'd suggest getting a nice classical if your going for it cause cheap one ares pretty bad...last i checked.


Classical guitars are not meant to play regular acoustic songs.
They are mostly for spanish songs.
I play a few flamenco songs...my favorite being granata.
Unfortunately there are no tabs for the songs I play as far as I can see...there are songs named Granata out there but they are not the same song that I play.
Another favorite song of mine is Luna, again, no tabs out there that are close to it...sigh...I learn by ear...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:18 pm


Soulless Perfection
Chromatic-Death
And yet...the question of my original post still stands...
Since you like classical and your pro says you like heavy metal you should try the piece Summer by Vivaldi...little Alexi Laiho did ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZspGWM-aWs


But my original post still stands...This topic is going way over your head...I'm talking about REAL classical (or in this case "fingerstyle") guitar...I'm talking about guitarists like...Julian Bream, Eliot Fisk, Andres Segovia, Li Jie, Dionisio Aguado...

I think you are confusing and diminishing the term classical guitar with "neo-classical"...

alexi played that vivaldi piece decently...but i've seen better...he's just a mainstream guitarist...the guitarists who not many people know of, are the really good ones...like Tiago della Vega, Dr. Viossy, Jason Becker (even though he is very well known) Michael Romeo (also very well known) and a whole lot more, are real neo-classical guitarists... alexi is pretty good...but NOT neo-classical...because he does not have the technique or knowledge of one...alexi's right hand technique is terrible...

Just in case you've never heard of these guys...here is a couple of links:

Tiago Della Vega:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-PZCZtTXM

Dr. Viossy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryhTrYPgZs

Jason Becker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Iz3RHZNDQ

Michael Romeo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ukQeA4zSY

Chromatic-Death


AnonymousGuitarist

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:15 pm


Chromatic-Death
Soulless Perfection
Chromatic-Death
And yet...the question of my original post still stands...
Since you like classical and your pro says you like heavy metal you should try the piece Summer by Vivaldi...little Alexi Laiho did ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZspGWM-aWs


But my original post still stands...This topic is going way over your head...I'm talking about REAL classical (or in this case "fingerstyle") guitar...I'm talking about guitarists like...Julian Bream, Eliot Fisk, Andres Segovia, Li Jie, Dionisio Aguado...

I think you are confusing and diminishing the term classical guitar with "neo-classical"...

alexi played that vivaldi piece decently...but i've seen better...he's just a mainstream guitarist...the guitarists who not many people know of, are the really good ones...like Tiago della Vega, Dr. Viossy, Jason Becker (even though he is very well known) Michael Romeo (also very well known) and a whole lot more, are real neo-classical guitarists... alexi is pretty good...but NOT neo-classical...because he does not have the technique or knowledge of one...alexi's right hand technique is terrible...

Just in case you've never heard of these guys...here is a couple of links:

Tiago Della Vega:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-PZCZtTXM

Dr. Viossy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryhTrYPgZs

Jason Becker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Iz3RHZNDQ

Michael Romeo:
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ukQeA4zSY
He's not a neo-classical artists at all. He's a metal artist but that was a display of his ability to do more than just metal (there are many people who think there is no ability or soul in metal and the only soul is blues in jazz which is bs).
The people you showed were good but i don't understand what you mean his right hand technique is horrible...? Its the typical picking of a fast metal artist.
An offical classical piece of course though has to be fingerpicked because unlike ygnwie malmsteen and alexi who did improvisions of a classical piece you must play the rythm and harmony together.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:36 am


Soulless Perfection
Chromatic-Death
Soulless Perfection
Chromatic-Death
And yet...the question of my original post still stands...
Since you like classical and your pro says you like heavy metal you should try the piece Summer by Vivaldi...little Alexi Laiho did ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZspGWM-aWs


But my original post still stands...This topic is going way over your head...I'm talking about REAL classical (or in this case "fingerstyle") guitar...I'm talking about guitarists like...Julian Bream, Eliot Fisk, Andres Segovia, Li Jie, Dionisio Aguado...

I think you are confusing and diminishing the term classical guitar with "neo-classical"...

alexi played that vivaldi piece decently...but i've seen better...he's just a mainstream guitarist...the guitarists who not many people know of, are the really good ones...like Tiago della Vega, Dr. Viossy, Jason Becker (even though he is very well known) Michael Romeo (also very well known) and a whole lot more, are real neo-classical guitarists... alexi is pretty good...but NOT neo-classical...because he does not have the technique or knowledge of one...alexi's right hand technique is terrible...

Just in case you've never heard of these guys...here is a couple of links:

Tiago Della Vega:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-PZCZtTXM

Dr. Viossy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryhTrYPgZs

Jason Becker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Iz3RHZNDQ

Michael Romeo:
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ukQeA4zSY


He's not a neo-classical artists at all. He's a metal artist but that was a display of his ability to do more than just metal (there are many people who think there is no ability or soul in metal and the only soul is blues in jazz which is bs).
The people you showed were good but i don't understand what you mean his right hand technique is horrible...? Its the typical picking of a fast metal artist.
An offical classical piece of course though has to be fingerpicked because unlike ygnwie malmsteen and alexi who did improvisions of a classical piece you must play the rythm and harmony together.

True, but a couple of people consider him a neo-classical guitarist just because he does stuff like that...it bothers me a little..hehe...and whoever thinks that jazz and or blues are the only forms of soulful music is just a plain idiot!!...any type of music has the potency to create soul...
The trick to playing guitar (any kind or genre) is to look like you're not even playing guitar, alexi's hand looks like it went through a grinder!
the hand position looks really awkward...having good technique gives you the benefit to be as comfortable as possible on and off stage, and make whatever you're playing look effortless...If you look at Tiago Della Vega's left hand...it has perfect technique. He basically doesn't even move those fingers... that's pretty much as good as you can get at electric when it comes to left hand technique...and as for his right hand...he uses economy picking (originally a jazz technique) which alot of shredders like Malmsteen, Michael Angelo Batio, and Tiago Della Vega use...

Chromatic-Death


AnonymousGuitarist

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:57 pm


Chromatic-Death
Soulless Perfection
Chromatic-Death
Soulless Perfection
Chromatic-Death
And yet...the question of my original post still stands...
Since you like classical and your pro says you like heavy metal you should try the piece Summer by Vivaldi...little Alexi Laiho did ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZspGWM-aWs


But my original post still stands...This topic is going way over your head...I'm talking about REAL classical (or in this case "fingerstyle") guitar...I'm talking about guitarists like...Julian Bream, Eliot Fisk, Andres Segovia, Li Jie, Dionisio Aguado...

I think you are confusing and diminishing the term classical guitar with "neo-classical"...

alexi played that vivaldi piece decently...but i've seen better...he's just a mainstream guitarist...the guitarists who not many people know of, are the really good ones...like Tiago della Vega, Dr. Viossy, Jason Becker (even though he is very well known) Michael Romeo (also very well known) and a whole lot more, are real neo-classical guitarists... alexi is pretty good...but NOT neo-classical...because he does not have the technique or knowledge of one...alexi's right hand technique is terrible...

Just in case you've never heard of these guys...here is a couple of links:

Tiago Della Vega:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1-PZCZtTXM

Dr. Viossy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NryhTrYPgZs

Jason Becker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Iz3RHZNDQ

Michael Romeo:
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ukQeA4zSY


He's not a neo-classical artists at all. He's a metal artist but that was a display of his ability to do more than just metal (there are many people who think there is no ability or soul in metal and the only soul is blues in jazz which is bs).
The people you showed were good but i don't understand what you mean his right hand technique is horrible...? Its the typical picking of a fast metal artist.
An offical classical piece of course though has to be fingerpicked because unlike ygnwie malmsteen and alexi who did improvisions of a classical piece you must play the rythm and harmony together.

True, but a couple of people consider him a neo-classical guitarist just because he does stuff like that...it bothers me a little..hehe...and whoever thinks that jazz and or blues are the only forms of soulful music is just a plain idiot!!...any type of music has the potency to create soul...
The trick to playing guitar (any kind or genre) is to look like you're not even playing guitar, alexi's hand looks like it went through a grinder!
the hand position looks really awkward...having good technique gives you the benefit to be as comfortable as possible on and off stage, and make whatever you're playing look effortless...If you look at Tiago Della Vega's left hand...it has perfect technique. He basically doesn't even move those fingers... that's pretty much as good as you can get at electric when it comes to left hand technique...and as for his right hand...he uses economy picking (originally a jazz technique) which alot of shredders like Malmsteen, Michael Angelo Batio, and Tiago Della Vega use...Well actually on the contray thats the only song i have ever heard him play neo-classical on. A lot of neo-classical music although has influenced metal guitar. Even such the famous Randy Rhodes himself who did in fact play classical guitar.
On the other hand Alexi doesn't look that much to his guitar. In the last video it cut off his head but here's another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krRgIu2bbeY&feature=related
in this one he basically only looks at his guitar when he is doing a slide or is about to.
The guys been playing for 10+ years and he's probably gotten comfortable in the position he plays with his right hand. As for the left i don't understand still the technique your saying...perhaps the technique you say you can be a little more detailed about. Maybe its something i should develop.
As my teacher says when you record a record or play live people don't care if your playing with a twig or a $10,000 dollar guitar or if your playing with your thumb on the fretboard or off. Its all about what you sound like but yea..
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