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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:25 pm
Teachers are held accountable for what students learn, not what grades they get. Parents often mistake grades for learning, as they'll get pissed if their child gets an F on an assignment, yet still take pride that their child "knows everything."
Anyway, I'll shed some more light on why I'm against raising teacher tenure requirements. First of all, teachers get paid according to how many years they've worked in the district, not by how many years they've worked over all. This system is called the salary schedule. Each year I continue to work in my district, I get a slight raise. However, if I choose to move districts, I can only transfer up to 6 years of service to another district. That means that if I've worked less than 6 years total, it's pretty much no harm, no foul. But if I'm working for more than 6 years, it means that I'll basically take a substantial paycut if I have to change districts. This is true if I move voluntarily or if it's because I was fired/laid off. That's huge for someone that's new to teaching, because it's quite possible that I work in one district for 5 years, get fired, then have to find a new district to work in. The first time it's no big deal (other than getting fired and having to change schools), but if that happens again I'd take a pay cut of about $4000 per year. And that affects me each year, so in the long run I could lose a vast amount of income because of some person's decision to not rehire me.
Another little tidbit, while teachers are probationary, they can be fired for little to no reason. That's a huge risk for someone new like myself. Sure, you always have to try on the shoe to see if it fits, but come on, I don't want to invest 5 years of my life just to see if the school decides they "like me."
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:19 pm
Soleq Teachers are held accountable for what students learn, not what grades they get. Parents often mistake grades for learning, as they'll get pissed if their child gets an F on an assignment, yet still take pride that their child "knows everything." Anyway, I'll shed some more light on why I'm against raising teacher tenure requirements. First of all, teachers get paid according to how many years they've worked in the district, not by how many years they've worked over all. This system is called the salary schedule. Each year I continue to work in my district, I get a slight raise. However, if I choose to move districts, I can only transfer up to 6 years of service to another district. That means that if I've worked less than 6 years total, it's pretty much no harm, no foul. But if I'm working for more than 6 years, it means that I'll basically take a substantial paycut if I have to change districts. This is true if I move voluntarily or if it's because I was fired/laid off. That's huge for someone that's new to teaching, because it's quite possible that I work in one district for 5 years, get fired, then have to find a new district to work in. The first time it's no big deal (other than getting fired and having to change schools), but if that happens again I'd take a pay cut of about $4000 per year. And that affects me each year, so in the long run I could lose a vast amount of income because of some person's decision to not rehire me. Another little tidbit, while teachers are probationary, they can be fired for little to no reason. That's a huge risk for someone new like myself. Sure, you always have to try on the shoe to see if it fits, but come on, I don't want to invest 5 years of my life just to see if the school decides they "like me." That all makes sense. Personally, I think the tenure should stay where it is. I would support something to make it a little easier to fire bad teachers with tenure though. Still have protections in place for teachers, but sometimes extremely bad teachers are too hard to get rid of. Of course, I don't write the laws, so I just have to decide on the choices I am given. And I don't like the "yes" option for the prop. I had a horrible AP English teacher (as in, didn't teach us a damn thing but let us sit around and talk all class). I hear he just got fired, and he had been teaching around 10 years I think.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:37 pm
I agree that some sort of plan should be created to fire teachers who basically quit teaching. As it stands right now, teachers need x number of complains and y number of bad reviews in order to go before the school board to be "recommended" for termination. Lengthy process, and that's without even involving the lawyers.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:57 pm
Soleq I agree that some sort of plan should be created to fire teachers who basically quit teaching. As it stands right now, teachers need x number of complains and y number of bad reviews in order to go before the school board to be "recommended" for termination. Lengthy process, and that's without even involving the lawyers.
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:32 am
Chalda *blesses her fortune of living in Canada* I'm not sure I get it... In Canada do you not get to vote on things?
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:51 pm
Captain_Sipid_Peabody Chalda *blesses her fortune of living in Canada* I'm not sure I get it... In Canada do you not get to vote on things?
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:13 pm
Chalda Captain_Sipid_Peabody Chalda *blesses her fortune of living in Canada* I'm not sure I get it... In Canada do you not get to vote on things? Technically you don't have to vote even if there are elections. But I do see your point. One less thing to worry about.
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