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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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 Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:48 pm
Divinus Cruor ashlander_alpha Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Power metal vocals are way better than anything else in metal, they can sound faminine but I dare any death metal singer to sing 'highlander' by lost horizon any day, at least PM vocals sound better than 'burghghwhaauauwiwiiiaaruruuuuurggh!!!!'. A close second place is for Trad/Epic doom vocals, though. You can go on and on saying they are not great but meh, I know they are, and that's enough. @Warrior: Now open you eyes, Witness the rise, Rise of the morning glory!! Edguy FTW. 3nodding Well, what would happen if a Power Metal singer were to try to sing a death metal song, that wouldn't come out right either, so you're point doesn't really prove anything. I have always said vocals do not define a genre, but are a very important element in music. If you don't add folk instruments (I mean folkloric traditional instruments) to metal it will never be straight folk metal. If you take the accordions, flutes, violins and bagpipes out of Elvenking it would be plain power metal. If you remove all bagpipes, whistles, violins and acoustic guitars from Mago de Oz it would be plain hard rock, heavy metal. Singing is a very definitive element. If you remove the growls from death metal it won't be straight death metal. Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:17 pm
Digital Malevolence Divinus Cruor ashlander_alpha Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Power metal vocals are way better than anything else in metal, they can sound faminine but I dare any death metal singer to sing 'highlander' by lost horizon any day, at least PM vocals sound better than 'burghghwhaauauwiwiiiaaruruuuuurggh!!!!'. A close second place is for Trad/Epic doom vocals, though. You can go on and on saying they are not great but meh, I know they are, and that's enough. @Warrior: Now open you eyes, Witness the rise, Rise of the morning glory!! Edguy FTW. 3nodding Well, what would happen if a Power Metal singer were to try to sing a death metal song, that wouldn't come out right either, so you're point doesn't really prove anything. I have always said vocals do not define a genre, but are a very important element in music. If you don't add folk instruments (I mean folkloric traditional instruments) to metal it will never be straight folk metal. If you take the accordions, flutes, violins and bagpipes out of Elvenking it would be plain power metal. If you remove all bagpipes, whistles, violins and acoustic guitars from Mago de Oz it would be plain hard rock, heavy metal. Singing is a very definitive element. If you remove the growls from death metal it won't be straight death metal. Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:24 pm
ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence Divinus Cruor ashlander_alpha Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Power metal vocals are way better than anything else in metal, they can sound faminine but I dare any death metal singer to sing 'highlander' by lost horizon any day, at least PM vocals sound better than 'burghghwhaauauwiwiiiaaruruuuuurggh!!!!'. A close second place is for Trad/Epic doom vocals, though. You can go on and on saying they are not great but meh, I know they are, and that's enough. @Warrior: Now open you eyes, Witness the rise, Rise of the morning glory!! Edguy FTW. 3nodding Well, what would happen if a Power Metal singer were to try to sing a death metal song, that wouldn't come out right either, so you're point doesn't really prove anything. I have always said vocals do not define a genre, but are a very important element in music. If you don't add folk instruments (I mean folkloric traditional instruments) to metal it will never be straight folk metal. If you take the accordions, flutes, violins and bagpipes out of Elvenking it would be plain power metal. If you remove all bagpipes, whistles, violins and acoustic guitars from Mago de Oz it would be plain hard rock, heavy metal. Singing is a very definitive element. If you remove the growls from death metal it won't be straight death metal. Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand Kind of. On the 11 Dreams album is about 95% pure Melodic Death. I heard only a wee bit of power in there. just look at Firesoul.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:39 pm
Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence Divinus Cruor ashlander_alpha This brings up something I was thinking about the other day. I've heard from some people that vocals don't constitute a band's genre. Now, in some cases, this works (Children of Bodom = power metal with half-hearted death vox). But what about in the opposite case? Would a death metal song with the growls replaced with power metal singing still be death metal? Putting aside how ridiculous that would sound, really, what do you think? I have always said vocals do not define a genre, but are a very important element in music. If you don't add folk instruments (I mean folkloric traditional instruments) to metal it will never be straight folk metal. If you take the accordions, flutes, violins and bagpipes out of Elvenking it would be plain power metal. If you remove all bagpipes, whistles, violins and acoustic guitars from Mago de Oz it would be plain hard rock, heavy metal. Singing is a very definitive element. If you remove the growls from death metal it won't be straight death metal. Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand Kind of. On the 11 Dreams album is about 95% pure Melodic Death. I heard only a wee bit of power in there. just look at Firesoul.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:45 pm
ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence Divinus Cruor ashlander_alpha This brings up something I was thinking about the other day. I've heard from some people that vocals don't constitute a band's genre. Now, in some cases, this works (Children of Bodom = power metal with half-hearted death vox). But what about in the opposite case? Would a death metal song with the growls replaced with power metal singing still be death metal? Putting aside how ridiculous that would sound, really, what do you think? I have always said vocals do not define a genre, but are a very important element in music. If you don't add folk instruments (I mean folkloric traditional instruments) to metal it will never be straight folk metal. If you take the accordions, flutes, violins and bagpipes out of Elvenking it would be plain power metal. If you remove all bagpipes, whistles, violins and acoustic guitars from Mago de Oz it would be plain hard rock, heavy metal. Singing is a very definitive element. If you remove the growls from death metal it won't be straight death metal. Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand Kind of. On the 11 Dreams album is about 95% pure Melodic Death. I heard only a wee bit of power in there. just look at Firesoul. Yeah, I was looking for that song to post but couldn't find it so settled with Firesoul. I still hear more Death then I do Power. and vocals have nothing do with it, which is why we are discussing this in the first place.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:58 pm
Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand Kind of. On the 11 Dreams album is about 95% pure Melodic Death. I heard only a wee bit of power in there. just look at Firesoul. Yeah, I was looking for that song to post but couldn't find it so settled with Firesoul. I still hear more Death then I do Power. and vocals have nothing do with it, which is why we are discussing this in the first place.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:19 pm
ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence ashlander_alpha Digital Malevolence Tell that to Mercenary, on their 11 Dreams album. talk2hand Kind of. On the 11 Dreams album is about 95% pure Melodic Death. I heard only a wee bit of power in there. just look at Firesoul. Yeah, I was looking for that song to post but couldn't find it so settled with Firesoul. I still hear more Death then I do Power. and vocals have nothing do with it, which is why we are discussing this in the first place. Yeah, but only what was on their myspace, I didn't like it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:15 pm
Divinus Cruor ashlander_alpha This brings up something I was thinking about the other day. I've heard from some people that vocals don't constitute a band's genre. Now, in some cases, this works (Children of Bodom = power metal with half-hearted death vox). But what about in the opposite case? Would a death metal song with the growls replaced with power metal singing still be death metal? Putting aside how ridiculous that would sound, really, what do you think? but are a very important element in music. If you don't add folk instruments (I mean folkloric traditional instruments) to metal it will never be straight folk metal. If you take the accordions, flutes, violins and bagpipes out of Elvenking it would be plain power metal. If you remove all bagpipes, whistles, violins and acoustic guitars from Mago de Oz it would be plain hard rock, heavy metal. Singing is a very definitive element. If you remove the growls from death metal it won't be straight death metal. lol, didn't you say CoB weren't Power because of Harsh vocals?
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:18 pm
There are no rules restricting vocal usage on particular genre's. If someone wants to make Black Metal with Operatic vocals, more power to them.
Get it? Get it? POWER to them?
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:22 pm
ashlander_alpha Gravechylde Well, what would happen if a Power Metal singer were to try to sing a death metal song, that wouldn't come out right either, so you're point doesn't really prove anything. Yes, it would still be death. It would sound off, but it would be death nonetheless.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:42 am
Gravechylde The War Starter My Hollow Bad vocals ruin a band. I don't know about anyone else, but I have a hard time tuning out awful vocals. Vocals just really don't bother me that much. Ozzy is not a good vocalist, but he's great within the context of Black Sabbath. Brian Lawrence may not be that good of a vocalist, but within the context of Dream Death. Tim Baker has an odd singing voice, but he's great in Cirith Ungol, I couldn't imagine it any other way. If it FITS, great! If not, bummer. I also don't mind power metal vocals that much either. I think she was referring to style, not technical proficiency. I was talking about the whole package.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:31 am
My Hollow There are no rules restricting vocal usage on particular genre's. If someone wants to make Black Metal with Operatic vocals, more power to them. Get it? Get it? POWER to them? Very good lol I simply look at vocals the same as I do at the other instruments. I mean, of course the vocals contribute towards the genre, just as the instruments do, but on their own they don't. I think I babbled a bit there... stressed
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:15 pm
Gravechylde ashlander_alpha Gravechylde Well, what would happen if a Power Metal singer were to try to sing a death metal song, that wouldn't come out right either, so you're point doesn't really prove anything. Yes, it would still be death. It would sound off, but it would be death nonetheless.
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:19 am
ashlander_alpha Gravechylde ashlander_alpha Gravechylde Well, what would happen if a Power Metal singer were to try to sing a death metal song, that wouldn't come out right either, so you're point doesn't really prove anything. Yes, it would still be death. It would sound off, but it would be death nonetheless. None of these genres would sound correct to our ears, that is obvious. The fact does remain, that vocals styles don't make up genres. If power has harsh vocals, it's still power.
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