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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:08 am
Okay, so my best friend is going completely nuts and thinks he's a girl. Yeah. HE. I need some help convincing him to not go through a sex change, 'cause it'll ruin his life forever, I can tell! I just don't know how to explain that to him without making him hate me forever. I've already pointed out that gender is something before the world was, but his response was, "Well I know I'll still be a guy after I die, so why not be a girl on earth - after all it is temporary and I already can't have kids." - He had to go through some surgery when he was young that made him sterile so now I don't know what to do crying Can I get some help here?
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:00 am
O.o ..... Ummmm.... Set him up on a blind date? maybe if he hears all the things involved with being a girl, he'll be less likely to want to be one. yeah! set him up with a girl w/ a psychology or medical major and have them talk about all the things girls go through just because they're girls. Maybe it'll change his mind. wild idea, that's all.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:37 pm
Glimare O.o ..... Ummmm.... Set him up on a blind date? maybe if he hears all the things involved with being a girl, he'll be less likely to want to be one. yeah! set him up with a girl w/ a psychology or medical major and have them talk about all the things girls go through just because they're girls. Maybe it'll change his mind. wild idea, that's all. I agree with what she said. Tell him that being a girl is alot tuffer then what most guys know. He most likely wouldn't survive if he changed into a girl. it can really be tuff sometimes. he would not like it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:25 pm
tell him that why he can't be a girl on earth and a guy in heaven is because being a girl on earth will ruin everything. We were placed on this earth to get a body and gain learning and experience. Is it D&C 130: 18-19 that says if he gains more knowledge and intelegince in this life he'll have so much the advantage in the world to come. His wife should learn the girl stuff and he should learn the guy stuff so they know a lot in the end. Wasn't there a general authority that said that behaviors and stuff will follow us also? you don't want to be in the terrestial kingdom for the rest of your life thinking "I was a girl for only a fractions of a second and now I can't think like a guy." Just cause we die doesn't mean the slate is wiped clean and we are made pure and perfect. And even through the repentance process we must live with the consequences of our actions.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:53 am
Why would you want to be a girl? Girls are icky! XP But seriously. God put you in the body you have for a reason.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:13 am
it sounds as though there is a lot of stuff going on in this person's life. You need help to help him - you can not do it all yourself. This is something that must have built up for a while for him and you can not make everything all better right away. He has to take the resposibility to question his decision and get a lot of different opinions - just as anyone having any kind of surgery (but especially life changing surgery) should. As for having children - there are so many out there waiting to be adopted - and he would get to choose! That is just as special and important a calling as a biological parent - I would think even more so because animals can sire offspring, but it takes a certain type of person to be a good parent. Talk to others you know you can trust to help you shoulder this burden.
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:02 am
I second MsRoseLovingJo. You've made your position known to him; from this point all you can do is continue to be his friend. There are laws in place; he has to have all kinds of counseling and medical checks before he can take such a drastic step. In the meantime, don't push him. This is between him and God and all you can do is encourage him to talk it over with God. You can't make him change his mind.
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:51 am
What makes you think that you can say anything that will change his mind? I mean, if he's gotten to the point where he actually wants a sex change I don't think that setting him up on a blind date isn't going to change his mind. People have to make their own choices and you need to accept that. Agency. It's a great thing but it also means that people can make the wrong choice if they want to.
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:20 pm
No offense to all you females... but tell him that when he can finally completely understand how the female mind works without any questions or doubts (And when he does, then question him on certain things that are unanswerable to the male species) and tell him thats when he can get a sex change...
... Seriously, girls are stranger then any fictional thing I've ever seen, yet you still gotta love em...
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:47 pm
The aforementioned reasons are all legit, and I support them completely.
If he needs medical reasons (note: these are conjecture based on fact. see #4): 1) He would have to take hormonal supplements for the rest of his life. While this would help him acchieve certain "desireable" results, they can create a legion of unwanted complications and can, though the chances are quite low, assist the development of a debilitating and/or fatal disease. Boobs really aren't worth that. (pardon the candor razz ) Even when women, who can handle estrogen much much better than men, recieve high levels of estrogen, their bodies go haywire. The resulting issues that can develop include breast cancer (if memory serves me right) and endometriosis (hemorraging of the uterine walls), among others. Behavioral changes will ensue. Psycosis plausible due to personality spikes caused by rapid hormonal changes. 2) The surgey itself can be botched easier than one may think. And botching up that kinda job can lead to some serious issues. If things aren't connected just right, the kidneys will but unable to properly dispose of the urea and pollutants in the blood, leading to kidney failure. He would have to be placed on dialysis for the rest of his life. If such a process is not taken care of soon enough, the toxins in the blood will accumulate and overwhelm the liver, leading to liver failure. He'll know this has happened when his eyes turn the same yellow color of his skin, which will be the result of the kidney failure. Dialysis can help filter the blood, but the liver and the kidneys are now shot. Both would have to be replaced. However, due to his recent surgery, double-organ failure and debatable mental status, he will be far from the top of the donor list. He probably, and by probably I mean I'm pretty darn sure, won't even qualify to be placed on the donor list. This would be the end of your friend. It's harsh, but it is a plausible risk. 3) There are others - have him consult with a (rational) doctor (who will explain the risks completely not just shoot them down. Doctor is preferably one who does not perform the surgery, nor the typical consultation, and is as unbiased as possible about the situation. This might be difficult to find.) 4) I am not a doctor. Do not quote me. This is not a medical consultation. Just what I know of what can potentially happen. (I'm just a freshman pre-med kid, but I know what I know)
To FrozenTwins: I'm not even sure Tolkien could have created such a thing as the female psyche. George Lucas neither. We're freaks. Please love us. That's (seriously. I'm completely serious. I'll even say it in chatspeak. SRSLY SRSLY SRSLY) all we want from guys. And, well, everything that would ensue. But that's all. It's not much. Srsly! >v< And dude, if this guy can figure out and understand how the female mind works w/o any questions or doubts, cc me on that memo. I'd certainly love to understand my brain. Do guys understand everything about the male brain? xD I'd like that memo too, kthx.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:04 am
Like a few people have said there is not much you can do. I agree about telling him to find an unbiased doctor, but he will need friendly support throughout this decision making. See if you can build up a ciclre of friends around him, a small group that can be close to him. Support him, don't push him too hard, if he chooses to go through this he'll need friends more than ever. Its tough being one of us (a girl that is) and employers have been known to fire people once they found that out. I wish you hope and luck heart heart heart
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:24 pm
Don't try to handle this yourself. Have him seek the counsel of a bishop or other church leader and kneel down and pray with him. Lead a humble prayer yourself and follow the spirit. He needs to realize that his actions have eternal consequences.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:37 pm
I second the notion that you can't change him. But... You might drill into his head the other points of Agency. Like how you can't pick the results of your choice. If he wants to be happy, he can't invent his own little universe to accomplish it. He's a human, he's our brother, he can't change that.
He needs to really pray/meditate about this. He needs to take into account that even though he may not "like" the opposite sex, he'll be missing out on a wealth of growth you gain from being with your eternal companion. What can you learn from a guy about life through a guy's eyes that dad and your friends can't fill you in on? God made this systum for a purpose. Not just cause he felt like it. The Proclamation to the World. It's black and white, bulletproof, and wonderful. God gave us these guidelines because we can't see what's in the eons to come. He's the one guy we can trust.... so, trust in him.
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