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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:49 pm


Ok, so Zeitgeist is about addressing 3 main things; religion as a tool of control and how it relates to today's society, Sept 11 used as a tool by our government to sway opinion and allow them to pursue a certain avenue that would not have been popular before such a horrific event, and finally how several elite people, primarily in the banking industry have manipulated event to favour the gain of money at the cost of human lives and quality of life through established governments to attain their own means which have not yet been fully realized. That being said link is here.

I will warn anyone who wishes to view this video now of 2 things: Firstly, the video is 2 hours in length so do not sit down thinking this will be done in 10 minutes. Secondly, there are extremely graphic images and sounds shown in the video pertaining to September 11 as well as Vietnam, if you are at all uneasy with this, I do not suggest watching it.

A little disclaimer on my part: I am not now nor have I ever been comfortable or accepting of conspiracies, especially those contrived and executed on such a grand scale as to warrant liability on a national or global scale. I do not believe in the end of the world in such literal terms as religious texts describe, and I really don't believe in such fraternal institutions that can control entire countries to attain their own goals whatever their name, imagined or documented. Having said that,this video blows my mind and makes me question everything I know as what is historically accepted.

I would like to discuss the material presented in Zeitgeist with someone else, and know there are several intelligent people in this guild who would be able to help me objectify the material presented to me and enable me to get an unbiased grasp on it.

The first section of the video, describing religion and how it has been used throughout history does not particularly bother me, I've been disillusioned about religion for nearly half my life and realize that it is a tool used to guide people or use them to achieve goals, whether it be something as seemingly benign as a harmonious and cohesive community or as nefarious as a population driven by fear to such a point as they will do anything their handlers tell them. It has been both and much more in the past several centuries.

The second part of the video is what bothers me the most. I was living 15 miles outside of DC and about 20 minutes from the Pentagon. Several family members of mine were within 3 miles or less of the Pentagon when it was struck. I remember driving the very next day to see the hole in the Pentagon where the plane smashed into the building because my father felt this was a historical event that merited viewing and stored away on a personal level. Anytime any "pentalawn" theories came out I dismissed them easily and the contrived tripe of conspiracy nut. Anytime anyone said that the towers were blown and that it was an inside job I brushed it off because I believed that no institution would allow their own citizens to be murdered in exchange for power. Having seen the information put forth for my digestion it bothers me that I may have allowed my memories and even my reality to be altered and tailored to match that of a body of people striving for fear in their people. What bothers me even more is that millions of people worldwide were possibly duped and brainwashed into accepting this version of reality, smart men and women who are capable of critical thinking.

The third part discusses money. It discusses how corporations and banks make heaps of money on war, a concept I know and accept. This has been happening for centuries so it's not a great secret even though there are masses of people that do not yet understand that. Also discussed is how the few control the masses because they control the supply and manipulate the demand for things, also something I acknowledge as being factual and currently practiced. Furthermore they explain how private banks control the currency in our country and that the Federal regulations put in place really aren't stringent. This would not be as terrifying if it weren't coupled with the fact that currency has no standard or backing of any kind. Money isn't represented by gold or silver, it isn't backed by anything other than the people that print it as legal tender and pump it into our system. Since there is no standard of value other than whatever the market says the value is, there is no standard for bartering for goods. If the market crashes then it consequently affects everything around it. If that weren't frightening enough, the implication that banking powers manipulate and drive crashes in the market to squelch competition and sway opinion for certain laws they want to pass is almost unbelievable. What is more unbelievable and equally as chilling is that presidencies and political lives are made and broken on your willingness to allow these things to happen.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:24 pm


Many interesting points. On your last point I would like to mention that due to the recent crash, a lot of people have been buying gold because the American dollar is losing so much purchasing power. Which point would you like to bring to the forefront of discussion, first?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:15 pm


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Many interesting points. On your last point I would like to mention that due to the recent crash, a lot of people have been buying gold because the American dollar is losing so much purchasing power. Which point would you like to bring to the forefront of discussion, first?


We can start with money. Most recently over $180 billion was dumped into our market in order to stem a global drop and hopefully slow down a crash here in America. Japan and China seem to be most affected by our market and France and Britain seem to be less affected. The fact that the fed is stepping in in such a major way with tax revenue that hasn't been collected yet to buy up the bad debt of companies such as Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and AIG is concerning on several levels, partially because those lenders are no longer solvent and it makes a loan harder to obtain even if you do have excellent credit. The other part that is troubling of the government taking over these major lenders is that the cost is off set onto the shoulders of the masses. Considering the average household income is down 5% over the last year and necessary commodities are up anywhere from 20%-200% over the same amount of time (food, gas, basic clothing) it seems daunting if not crushing to push off such a debt onto taxpayers. Couple that with a housing market that probably won't see it's bottom for the next 18 months and you have a truly disastrous predicament. Last Monday and Tuesday we saw the Dow Jones and the Poor 500 lose about 25% of their standard for the year, we did manage to recover most of that on Wednesday but I'm of the mind that if our markets take another dive like that this fiscal year they won't rebound. Most financial analysts have seen their models for our "non-recession" blown out of the water and now some people are talking about a crash that hasn't been seen since the 30's. I don't think I'm ready to accept that scenario as the most probable outcome but it will be a rough few years.

Regarding zeitgeist, what I find most interesting about the market crashes in the 20's and 30's and even again in the 70's is that centralized international banking interests managed to actually make money off of these crashes. They bought out countries for pennies on the dollar and they got rid of their competition all in one go. We are currently seeing that here as of last week. I'm not sure if there's any overall nefarious plot, it seems a bit far reaching but we are seeing history more or less cycle itself.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:27 pm


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Matasoga
Many interesting points. On your last point I would like to mention that due to the recent crash, a lot of people have been buying gold because the American dollar is losing so much purchasing power. Which point would you like to bring to the forefront of discussion, first?


We can start with money. Most recently over $180 billion was dumped into our market in order to stem a global drop and hopefully slow down a crash here in America. Japan and China seem to be most affected by our market and France and Britain seem to be less affected. The fact that the fed is stepping in in such a major way with tax revenue that hasn't been collected yet to buy up the bad debt of companies such as Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, and AIG is concerning on several levels, partially because those lenders are no longer solvent and it makes a loan harder to obtain even if you do have excellent credit. The other part that is troubling of the government taking over these major lenders is that the cost is off set onto the shoulders of the masses. Considering the average household income is down 5% over the last year and necessary commodities are up anywhere from 20%-200% over the same amount of time (food, gas, basic clothing) it seems daunting if not crushing to push off such a debt onto taxpayers. Couple that with a housing market that probably won't see it's bottom for the next 18 months and you have a truly disastrous predicament. Last Monday and Tuesday we saw the Dow Jones and the Poor 500 lose about 25% of their standard for the year, we did manage to recover most of that on Wednesday but I'm of the mind that if our markets take another dive like that this fiscal year they won't rebound. Most financial analysts have seen their models for our "non-recession" blown out of the water and now some people are talking about a crash that hasn't been seen since the 30's. I don't think I'm ready to accept that scenario as the most probable outcome but it will be a rough few years.

Regarding zeitgeist, what I find most interesting about the market crashes in the 20's and 30's and even again in the 70's is that centralized international banking interests managed to actually make money off of these crashes. They bought out countries for pennies on the dollar and they got rid of their competition all in one go. We are currently seeing that here as of last week. I'm not sure if there's any overall nefarious plot, it seems a bit far reaching but we are seeing history more or less cycle itself.

I like where you're taking this, but might I propose that you take this topic in particular (the fiscal aspect, at least) and make a post about it in the otherwise dead politics thread? I'd like you to have more exposure, and it may actually get people talking...Or at least thinking.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:25 pm


Sure though I'd have to do a bit more research regarding the political aspect of it. I'll see if I can't get something up and running over the next week or so.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:03 pm


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Sure though I'd have to do a bit more research regarding the political aspect of it. I'll see if I can't get something up and running over the next week or so.[/quote
Thanks. I look forward to that.

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