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 Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:33 pm
Maybe im just being paranoid but with the way McCain is talking hes like 'We dont have enough that want to go over seas in our war against terrorism' And im thinking yeah because you people are killing them all gonk
AND NOW, when i was comfortable Obama wasnt that way, on the Presidential forum hes saying 'We need not only soldiers but agriculturists and more civilian jobs there that want to do in the danger zone'
WHAT!?!
I was relying on Obama to get out of this crazy mess not go along with it!
* Do you think either president would get so desperate for soldiers they would enlist a draft?
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:07 pm
Obama has been flip-flopping recently so I never know what he stands for because he keeps changing his mind. Plus, he's too much of an idealist and doesn't think things through.
Conscription is most likely not going to happen. It is true that there are not a lot of people going into the war but that's because society has changed. Many people aren't willing to join the military. Back in the day, it was all about 'nationalism.' Now half the country is either socialist or just hates the U.S. Understandable a bit, but really...the government is not the only thing the U.S. is made up of. (people should be happy they don't live in a third world country)
Anyways, we've discussed the subject of conscription in school before. Our conclusion being that the threat would always be there throughout all the world's wars but in todays age, if they even tried, all hell would break loose.
Well as Thomas Paine says "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one"
I'm probably going to be one of those persons who never votes....
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:28 pm
It's okay. I was too young to register in 2000. 2004 held no interest. I'm tempted to register just to vote on a third party candidate, but in all truth this will fall away to apathy. Civic responsibilities or patriotism-to-vote has never been instilled in my family.
Although, I wonder how political I can get with the organizations I want to support and still not be registered to vote. It's like a seesaw.
Btw, I agree that the draft will most likely never be reinstated. There's too much bad ju-ju involved. That and there would be mile long lines waiting to cross over into Canada.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:45 pm
onicoe That and there would be mile long lines waiting to cross over into Canada. . I don't think there would be a draft as I think it would be too much of a change. Too many people would get up in arms and it would draw a lot of attention from other countries. If they do continue the war, and need more soldiers it will be much more discreet. They may make it near impossible for lower income families to get further education without military enlistment. They may pump through more Go Army commercials with images glorifying the military.
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Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:15 pm
Its not that i don't like America, i do. I have the option of moving to England and turned it down because i like America. I just dont want to go to war, which i probably wouldn't since im a female, and i don't want my fiancee to go to war once he's a citizen. Neither one of us would make it ;_;
There isnt a law saying it cant be reinstated, but you guys are right, all hell WOULD break lose. I was watching the Forum this evening being a little paranoid. Tom and I would be smuggled to Costa Rica to stay with family >_>
And Obama is flip-flopping, it's really pissing me off.
Why even be a Democrat when hes kissing the Republican voters behinds?
Go Nader? XD
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:09 pm
PiercedPixie2 And Obama is flip-flopping, it's really pissing me off. Why even be a Democrat when hes kissing the Republican voters behinds? Go Nader? XD LAWL. He should just be a liberal Republican. I think he's desperate to get hillary voters on his side. Is Nader still running? He always runs rofl
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:33 pm
I hope it will not be necessary. The football players out there know that "the best defense is a good offence." A society that cannot, or will not, defend itself cannot survive. To think that humankind is better than that, and that we can all just live in peace and harmony today, is just foolishness. The truth is the truth, the world is what it is. The farmers will always need warriors to protect them.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:01 pm
sunsetsmile I hope it will not be necessary. The football players out there know that "the best defense is a good offence." A society that cannot, or will not, defend itself cannot survive. To think that humankind is better than that, and that we can all just live in peace and harmony today, is just foolishness. The truth is the truth, the world is what it is. The farmers will always need warriors to protect them. absolutely true 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:34 pm
I agree that reinstating the draft would have much too huge of an impact to be reasonable. Aside from all the people that would hop over to Canada and the protestors, there would be the whole issue of whether or not to draft women, and that might start a whole equality debate and the insanity would never end @_@
However, they're doing a good job of pushing the military down our throats. In school last year it was mandatory to take the ASV(F?)AB test.. And now the Air Force and Navy are hounding my house with calls and mail wanting me to join... In my graduating class, there are more people right now that know they want to go into the Army, Navy, or Air Force than have any idea of what college to go to...
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:20 pm
Artistic Mystic I agree that reinstating the draft would have much too huge of an impact to be reasonable. Aside from all the people that would hop over to Canada and the protestors, there would be the whole issue of whether or not to draft women, and that might start a whole equality debate and the insanity would never end @_@
However, they're doing a good job of pushing the military down our throats. In school last year it was mandatory to take the ASV(F?)AB test.. And now the Air Force and Navy are hounding my house with calls and mail wanting me to join... In my graduating class, there are more people right now that know they want to go into the Army, Navy, or Air Force than have any idea of what college to go to... I was in my high schools Marine Core ROTC, stupidly XD So i had a ton of stuff coming to my house, people meeting me my senior year. I just took it as an easy class and the physical fitness part, i never ever planned on going into the military. People were offering me military shirts if i signed my life away, hehe. So they most definatley push military for us to go in. And its sad, for a lot of kids in my classes were poor, since i live in the inner city, and going into the military was their only way to go to college =/
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:17 am
Military service is not what it was in the Vietnam era. There seems to be a concensus here that only those who cannot afford college would consider service to their country, and I can tell you that is simply not true. There are three young men in this family serving in three different branches of the military, and they will all come out---if and when they decide to come out---with training and opportunities that are just not available in the private sector.
The oldest is 30, in the Army, on the ground in Iraq. He will return to the states after the first of the year with the training he WANTED to set himself up in a business, and between him and his wife, they will never want for anything ever again in their lives.
The second is in the Marines. He prepared for over a year while in high school, thought he was gonna go kick some butt and be a tough guy, escaping his brainy image-----he is instead in logistics, making sure that the men and women all over the world that serve our country get what they need, before they need it. A private-sector job when he comes out will pay him well over $250, 000 a year. Not bad for a kid who will be 23 years old when he gets out---if he decides to leave.
The third is in the Navy, and has just decided to make the Navy a career. He had his engineering degree when he went in, having secured scholarships for a totally free ride for his college years. He loves the life, and loves working with new technology that he could never work with in the private sector. The sky is the limit for him in the private sector, and he will retire from the Navy when he is in his early 40's, set for life. Not many jobs offer the opportunity to retire so young, with so much.
The Air Force and the Coast Guard offer their own unique opportunities, and I would not be surprised to see another young person in this family choose to serve there, as well. The daughter in college is studying criminal justice, but she may decide that the military is a better fit for her life, and one son wants to fly-----
I grew up during the Vietnam years, and seeing young men come home in boxes has always been the first mental image associated with serving our country, so I have never even mentioned military service as an option to any young person. They have come to these decisions on their own, and in the process, made me see that military service can be a good choice.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:12 pm
I know lots of people that came out of the military; for some of them it was a very good choice, but most (especially my younger friends) who've come back hated it because they didn't put much thought into how it would actually be, they just went because they weren't interested in college or flipping burgers. That's what I'm afraid is going to happen to most of the people going from my school.
Most of the people in my town can afford college easily, but the kids just don't want to go to college. They want to be out of school and go do something, but still get lots of money. Or their families are pressuring them to join x service because someone else in the family or a friend did. It makes me so sad that they think the military is the only way to avoid college, which they see as another four years of high school that only the "nerdy" kids would want. The Army and Air Force especially gets pushed in our faces... I've gotten ten or twelve different packets on joining the military (starting when I was in 7th grade) and absolutely nothing that outlines general educational options after high school.. Most people I know think that the military's the only way to not be a nerd after school ends. stressed
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:34 pm
I would just like to see people consider what is available more seriously and carefully. I know that there are probably more people like me out there, not at all gung-ho about a military career, than not---and it severely limits the choices that young people have today when they leave high school. The military offers a microcosm of the world's jobs, and more, and is cutting-edge in so many fields that it seems a shame to dismiss it without getting the facts and seeing if it could be the right fit.
I know so many people who have worked their way through college only to find that their chosen field of study really offers fewer financial rewards than they thought. It is disheartening for them, and for me. Nothing is the perfect fit for everybody. I would just like to see everyone consider ALL their options, for themselves, on their own merits.
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