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Half_Monkey

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:19 pm


The subject basically says it all, but none the less I'm bored and need to go on ranting about the psychotic ideas running through my mind:

If we still aren't sure(and this includes all the major scientists of the world) what exactly dreams are then (as is asked far to often) how can we tell the difference between dreams and what we call "reality"? There is as of yet no answer, some may say that we think this "reality" is the reality because it is "Normal" the flaw in this argument is that how do we know what is normal? Normal is only our perspective of things, thus an example would be a tribe in Africa that speak mostly with clicking sounds, to most of the surrounding countries this would seem "Weird" but the way we speak without clicks would seen "Weird to them", so which truly is the weird one? You can't answer that because it rely's soulley on perspective! So this proves that there really is no difference between reality and our "dreams" except that maybe they may seem in a sense different in the fact that one may seem vague while the other clear but once again we come upon a theory that rely's on perspective as we can't really know if that vagueness is really how reality is or if the clearness is.
If you actually read all of that ranting then you must be just as mentally unstable as i am, lol. Well if you could stand reading this then I'm sure you will be able to reply with some of your own insane theory's on life!
Peace out every one!  
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:42 pm


Topic you mentioned is one of the philosophy theory trying to explain what is reality and dream. From what I remember from classes taken long time ago it was one of the main theory used in Matrix. You can find it one of Lem books "The Star Diaries". There is a one short story about crazy scientist, you would probably love it. Basically theory about what is real and what is our imagination is used in many other questions like what is me? what is right and wrong? how can we tell what is true?

It is very interesting question. I remember one great discussion about what happened to world when we close our eyes. Some great philosophers were absolutely sure that whole world can be just made for one person (me), so when me close eyes it disappear. All the objects me hits are just data in memory saying that there is something me should hit.

The same question you asked can be much more wide and asking about ourself. Do we real exist, do people surrounding us are real or maybe just our imagination.

Unfortunately time passes and there is no final answer for this question. The best way is to chose for ourself path that we want to follow smile .

Wiedziemka


Verderbnis

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:40 pm


Reality: I can't really do what I want and most things are not controlled by me.

Dreams: My will is your command!

Truth, Lies, Normality, Perversion all that stuff is relative and honestly means nothing: Nobody inherits enough "normality" to be able to use those labels as they're supposed to be.

But dreams and reality are another matter. I usually never had a realistic dream and I know my dreams and can control the environment and properties in them. That separates the reality from dreams: in reality the stone will most probably just fall down, over and over again, while in a dream the stone may do the weirdest stuff.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:40 am


A dream is in your head.

Reality is in manys.

Dermoi


Half_Monkey

PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:45 pm


Verderbnis
Reality: I can't really do what I want and most things are not controlled by me.

Dreams: My will is your command!

Truth, Lies, Normality, Perversion all that stuff is relative and honestly means nothing: Nobody inherits enough "normality" to be able to use those labels as they're supposed to be.

But dreams and reality are another matter. I usually never had a realistic dream and I know my dreams and can control the environment and properties in them. That separates the reality from dreams: in reality the stone will most probably just fall down, over and over again, while in a dream the stone may do the weirdest stuff.


The problem with this theory is that we don't know if it is reality were we can control things or our dreams, as Wiedziemka said is it that the world disappears when we close our eyes because it only exists to us? If so than what really defines something being reality and something being a dream, we use only the information we have gained through these two things which makes our perspective, so, in our perspective it may seem that certain features(like vaguness) must mean that it is a dream, but as i said in the original post that is only perspective thus it could be that reality is vague and you can control the prooperties of it and the dreams are were life is what other people make it for you. I hope you can understand what i'm saying here, few can lol wink . Anyhow you should never believe that you can't control what happens in what you call reality as you should live life as you want to no matter what! Never believe that can't change the world because with that thought in mind you won't ever change anything and will be just another person living in the world that the people who do believe that they can do anything made for you.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:56 pm


XxCubeZxX
A dream is in your head.

Reality is in manys.



This is a very good argument, but, it also relys on perspective. I'll explain; you can't really know if those people are sharing the same reality because you are not them, so they could very well just be people made by your imagination as Wiedziemka explained.

Half_Monkey


Wiedziemka

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:28 am


Half_Monkey
XxCubeZxX
A dream is in your head.

Reality is in manys.



This is a very good argument, but, it also relys on perspective. I'll explain; you can't really know if those people are sharing the same reality because you are not them, so they could very well just be people made by your imagination as Wiedziemka explained.


Exactly.
I would like to point out that we cannot even be really sure if the person next to use see the same color as we do. Maybe red for him/her has different shade that seen through our eyes.

Most people when they woke up don't remember they dreams. Scientist say that we dream about 3 different dreams through our sleep. What if this is our dream and when we wake up you just don't remember about it? How can you be sure you are awake right now?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:00 am


This is one of the very first questions asked by philosophers for thousand of years. I'd have to pull out my philosophy book from my first semester of college to tell you exactly who said what.

I love the question tho, I often have dreams so real that I have trouble distinguishing them from memories. So how am I to know that at this moment I am not dreaming and won't soon wake up to find what I am doing now to be a half faded dream?

Then there is the exceedingly interesting cases of people suffering from Schizophrenia. They see and hear things that are 100% real to them, as real as anything that a "normal" person sees or hears. So is reality really biased on what you see and hear or what others tell you is real?

In the end we must all function under the presumption that what is around us is what is real. Tho, it never hurts to question it.

Meina Darkfur


Shenyu

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:14 pm


I think the best... or sometimes the worst thing about dreams is that what happens in them, is undone when you wake up. When you go to sleep you might have a similar dream, but it does not matter what happened before.
Example: If you dream about a man trying to kill you for several times he probably would not say "Here I am. Like the other 27 times"

In reality, he might say something like "I might not have killed you the last times, but your luck will fade"

If you were naked in front of your class in your dream, nobody will know that when you go to school the next day^^
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:17 pm


The one and only difference:

Dreams have to make sence
[to you]. Reality doesn't. 3nodding

DvnT


tamagokoro

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:38 pm


Dreams are personal end when you wake up. Reality exists whether you're there to experience or not.
Otherwise, I don't think there *is* much difference. When you dream, that's your 'reality' (unless you know you're dreaming, in which case you know it isn't 'real'). And then you wake up to another reality, only this one lasts longer.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:06 pm


XxCubeZxX
A dream is in your head.

Reality is in manys.


Maybe so, but what about the Matrix?
people accepted that as reality, yet was it?

Mad Haru


Ohne_Dich777

PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:11 am


This is just my own personal opinion out of experience:

There is no such thing as a "reality" and a "dream" for the fact that many people and myself experience the future sights in these so called "dreams." And yet, scientists say if you die in a dream then you'll die in reality. So here's the question: Which is which? There is no dream and no reality for what i believe to be the reasonning of this: In a dream ANYTHING can happen, yet in reality barely anything can happen. Wouldn't someone concider a dream to be an alternate reality? I dont know if any of you know the auther of V3: Vampire Viginettes ReVamped. G.L. Giles, me and her went into a massive disscussion about reality and dreams. And there is was one man, whom i forget his name, he was some type of chemist...I truly forget the name of his profession and his name. But, he had a theory that dreams where only us waking up to an alternate reality. Im sorry for rambling on but, it is my own opinion. Anyway, has anyone ever fought in a dream and had a bruise or so left on them that they themselves never got while being "awake?" Many unexplained things happen while eyes are shut and open. Its just up to us to decide whether to call it a dream or reality.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:18 pm


Ohne_Dich777
This is just my own personal opinion out of experience:

There is no such thing as a "reality" and a "dream" for the fact that many people and myself experience the future sights in these so called "dreams." And yet, scientists say if you die in a dream then you'll die in reality. So here's the question: Which is which? There is no dream and no reality for what i believe to be the reasonning of this: In a dream ANYTHING can happen, yet in reality barely anything can happen. Wouldn't someone concider a dream to be an alternate reality? I dont know if any of you know the auther of V3: Vampire Viginettes ReVamped. G.L. Giles, me and her went into a massive disscussion about reality and dreams. And there is was one man, whom i forget his name, he was some type of chemist...I truly forget the name of his profession and his name. But, he had a theory that dreams where only us waking up to an alternate reality. Im sorry for rambling on but, it is my own opinion. Anyway, has anyone ever fought in a dream and had a bruise or so left on them that they themselves never got while being "awake?" Many unexplained things happen while eyes are shut and open. Its just up to us to decide whether to call it a dream or reality.

THANK YOU, im afraid most of the other people aren't understanding what I'm saying here but you seem to get what I'm talking about.

Half_Monkey

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