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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:53 am


John 10:30
I and my Father are one.


Please show some examples of similarities between Greek Myths and Christianity. I'd love to hear them. Oh, and please cite some sources while you're at it so I know you're not making it up.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:59 pm


Spike Zantren
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.


Please show some examples of similarities between Greek Myths and Christianity. I'd love to hear them. Oh, and please cite some sources while you're at it so I know you're not making it up.
Is that from the KJV or NIV?

And I'll do a quite rundown...my head is killing me..and almost getting in a car wreck is no fun.

Story of Genesis:
-Adam and Eve are created
-Tree of Knowledge and Life are in the Garden
-God warns Adam (and Eve?) of the tree of knowledge and says it's forbidden
-Eve meets the serpent (snake) and the snake tells Eve about the Forbidden Fruit
-Eve gets curious and tells Adam
-Eve takes a bite of the apple as does Adam
-Adam and Eve notice changes, and thus becomes the fall of man and the existence of sin
-God is furious
-God banishes Adam and Eve

Pandora's Box
-Zeus ordered Hephaestus to create Pandora. She was the first woman on Earth.
-Aphrodite and some of the other Gods gave her gifts thus the meaning behind her name, all-gifted.
-Prometheus stole fire from heaven.
-Zeus took vengenance by giving Pandora to Prometheus' half-brother
-Pandora had a jar that she was told not to open under any circumstances
-Her curiosity got the better of her and she opened it
-She unleashes all the evils of the world
-She quickly closes the jar, leaving only Hope inside

Here are the similarites:
-Pandora is the first woman according to Greek Myth, Eve is the first woman according to Genesis
-Both God and Zeus want to create a woman but have different ways of doing it
-Both are told not to open the jar/eat the fruit
-Eve was enticed by the snake but she could've ignored him/it. Her curiousity gets the best of her as does Pandora's
-Both unwittingly unleash evils on the world (Adam does too) (this can be sin, disease, death, etc)
-two good things are left, ie tree of life and Hope.

I probably skipped a few things on both ends because I was doing both from memory...

Sources:

Adam and Eve
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 2;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 3;&version=31;

Pandora's Box: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/pandora.html

And don't ask me why it says jar instead of jar...what Pandora had with her could be a jar, urn or box. We more commonly know it as Pandora's Box.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:17 am


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Satan could have influenced the Greek mythology, or it could be based on fact. I heard that there are stories of a worldwide flood in almost every culture... what a surprise: it's based on fact.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:01 am


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Satan could have influenced the Greek mythology, or it could be based on fact. I heard that there are stories of a worldwide flood in almost every culture... what a surprise: it's based on fact.
Really? Because in a flood in ancient times, especially where the supposed flood happened, the plains got flooded quite anually. So something of this magnitude is a common occurance. You know in a storm your visability starts to decrease so it's harder for you to see maybe past 10 miles. Which is probably why people thought there was a global flood. Now look at the percentage of water we have on the Earth. Even if the polar ice caps were to melt, there wouldn't be enough water to flood the Earth. Also has it ever occurred to you that the writers of the Bible took bits and pieces of the pagan cultures and stories and melded them within Christianity. Since paganism was one of the oldest and original religions. Along with hints of Judaism. (Trivia Fact of the Day: Judaism isn't the first actual monotheistic religion. There was actually a cult in Egypt started by King Tut's father when his father was pharaoh. The God they worshiped was Amut or Amun (I can't remember which). Which could've given way to what we perceive as God. That cult provided the building blocks of a monotheistic religion.)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:47 am


Dai Kiwadaki
Spike Zantren
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.


Please show some examples of similarities between Greek Myths and Christianity. I'd love to hear them. Oh, and please cite some sources while you're at it so I know you're not making it up.
Is that from the KJV or NIV?

And I'll do a quite rundown...my head is killing me..and almost getting in a car wreck is no fun.

Story of Genesis:
-Adam and Eve are created
-Tree of Knowledge and Life are in the Garden
-God warns Adam (and Eve?) of the tree of knowledge and says it's forbidden
-Eve meets the serpent (snake) and the snake tells Eve about the Forbidden Fruit
-Eve gets curious and tells Adam
-Eve takes a bite of the apple as does Adam
-Adam and Eve notice changes, and thus becomes the fall of man and the existence of sin
-God is furious
-God banishes Adam and Eve

Pandora's Box
-Zeus ordered Hephaestus to create Pandora. She was the first woman on Earth.
-Aphrodite and some of the other Gods gave her gifts thus the meaning behind her name, all-gifted.
-Prometheus stole fire from heaven.
-Zeus took vengenance by giving Pandora to Prometheus' half-brother
-Pandora had a jar that she was told not to open under any circumstances
-Her curiosity got the better of her and she opened it
-She unleashes all the evils of the world
-She quickly closes the jar, leaving only Hope inside

Here are the similarites:
-Pandora is the first woman according to Greek Myth, Eve is the first woman according to Genesis
-Both God and Zeus want to create a woman but have different ways of doing it
-Both are told not to open the jar/eat the fruit
-Eve was enticed by the snake but she could've ignored him/it. Her curiousity gets the best of her as does Pandora's
-Both unwittingly unleash evils on the world (Adam does too) (this can be sin, disease, death, etc)
-two good things are left, ie tree of life and Hope.

I probably skipped a few things on both ends because I was doing both from memory...

Sources:

Adam and Eve
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 2;&version=31;
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 3;&version=31;

Pandora's Box: http://www.pantheon.org/articles/p/pandora.html

And don't ask me why it says jar instead of jar...what Pandora had with her could be a jar, urn or box. We more commonly know it as Pandora's Box.


I use the King James Version for textual accuracy, even though it uses Ye Olde English. I don't wholly trust the New International Version to be entirely correct. It was made more as an "easy read" than an accurate account.


Encyclopedia Mythica
Zeus ordered Hephaestus, the god of craftsmanship, to create her and he did, using water and earth.


Genesis 2:21-23 (KJV)

21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.


Now we've got a problem. Hephaestus made Pandora out of water and earth, while God made Eve from Adam's rib. The differences are as important as any similarities. The fact that they're the first women doesn't mean much, because no matter what beliefs about origins one may have, there must be a first woman to have existed.

Encyclopedia Mythica
When Prometheus stole fire from heaven, Zeus took vengeance by presenting Pandora to Epimetheus, Prometheus' brother.


Pandora was created as a punishment to Prometheus. Eve was created to be a servant to Adam, not as a punishment. Prometheus had already stolen from the gods. Adam had never sinned until eating the fruit of the tree. The men in the Greek mythology were punished with women. The Genesis account condemns both Adam and Eve together.

Encyclopedia Mythica
With her, Pandora had a jar which she was not to open under any circumstance. Impelled by her natural curiosity, Pandora opened the jar, and all evil contained escaped and spread over the earth.

Genesis 3:1-6 (KJV)

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


Eve was tricked into eating the fruit by the serpent, because he raised doubts in her mind about God's order not to eat of the tree, and she wasn't told not to eat the fruit by God, but by Adam. There's no text in Genesis saying that God told Eve directly not to eat of the fruit.

It should also be noted that Eve was tricked by Satan because she was the last being created. Adam saw God create one of each animal so he could name them and select a wife. Adam saw God in the act of creating these things. Eve, as the last thing created, never saw God make anything. It's because of this that she was decieved by the serpent.

Pandora, however, was curious, and opened the box, she wasn't decieved. Eve ate the fruit, she didn't open a jar/box/urn. The differences are just as important as the similarities.

Adam knowingly ate the fruit of the tree. He knew that he wasn't supposed to do it, but he did it anyway. Eve was tricked, Adam knew full well what he was doing because he was told by God Himself not to eat the fruit. Adam's sin caused death. The evil acts resulted in consequences. Death didn't come out of a box.

Two "good things" are left? The tree of life was guarded by a cherubim and wasn't mentioned again. It was likely destroyed by the Flood along with the rest of the Garden of Eden.


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Look at this list of comparisons between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy:

1. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were elected to Congress in '46 (1846 in Lincoln's case, 1946 in Kennedy's). Both became President in '60.
2. Both had lazy eye muscles which would cause one eye to wander.
3. Both had been skippers on boats (Lincoln on the Mississippi river boat 'Talisman' and Kennedy on the PT-109)
4. Both were the second sons in their families. Each lost a sister to death before becoming President. Both married 24-year-old brunettes who had been previously engaged to other men, and who spoke French fluently.
5. Both had a child die while living in the White House.
6. Both were related to U.S. Senators, U.S. Attorney Generals who graduated from Harvard, and ambassadors to the Court of St. James.
7. Both were acquaintances of a man named Adlai E. Stevenson who ran for either Vice-President or President, a doctor named Charles Taft and a man named William Graham.
8. Both were advised not to go to the place where they died.
9. Both Lincoln's theater box and Kennedy's car were altered for their benefit (Lincoln's theater box had a partition removed to accomodate his party, Kennedy's car had a raised rear seat)
10. Both were slain on a Friday before a major Holiday (Lincoln on the Friday before Easter, Kennedy on the Friday before Thanksgiving). Both were shot while sitting next to their wives and in the presence of another couple. Of the other couple, the man was also wounded by the assassin, but neither wife was wounded.
11. Both were shot from behind and in the head. Both of their wives cradled their husband's heads after they were shot.
12. John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln from inside a theater, and fled to a warehouse. Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from inside a warehouse and fled to a theater.
13. Lincoln was shot while inside the Ford theater, in box 7. Kennedy was shot while inside a Ford automobile, in car 7 in the motorcade.
14. Both were pronounced dead in places with the initials P.H. (Lincoln in the Peterson House, and Kennedy in Parkland Hospital)
15. Both of their assassins escaped, and were killed before going to trial.
16. Both of their assassins were privates in the military. Each was detained after the shooting by a policeman named Baker. Both were eventually killed by a Colt revolver.
17. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were succeeded by southern ex-senators named Johnson who were born in '08. Both Johnsons were in their mid-fifties when they took the office and both suffered from urethral stones (the only presidents to have them). Both Johnsons could have run for re-election in '68, but chose not to.

By the logic of the critics, this list is absolute, undeniable proof that John F. Kennedy is a fictional character based on Abraham Lincoln. Of course, I haven't verified all of the items on this list, so it's possible that some are untrue. But by the logic of the critics, that doesn't matter. A list with untrue items will do just fine, right? The reason that this list really doesn't mean much is that we're looking ONLY at what they have in common. For each thing they do have in common, there are dozens of differences between them. It's the same with Jesus and the earlier deities. There are a few similarities in some cases (though not nearly as many as the Christ-Mythers would have you believe), but the differences far outweight them. If you're open-minded, I challenge you to read any or all of the four New Testament gospels and then read the mythology of the other deities for yourself (there are many books and websites available).1




@Voldemort: No offense, but using Satan as an excuse makes an argument seem weak. The Devil very well could have used this as a stumbling block, but if you take him out of the equation and do some verification, you'll notice that the stories aren't as similar as they seem.

There are indeed many flood stories out there. They also have their own various details. Some of them are vastly different, but none are as scientifically accurate and detailed as the Genesis flood. Now does this prove that Judaism is a ripoff of Chinese or Hawaiian flood myths? No, but it lends credibility to the possiblility that a catastrophic flood could have actually occurred.


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There is enough water on earth for a global flood. If the earth was smoothed out, the water in the oceans would cover it to a depth of about 8,813 feet (2.6 kilometres). This does not include the water in rivers, lakes, glaciers, and other sources. They would add about another 2–3 thousand feet (600-900 metres). In reality, the Flood would only need to be a little over 7,000 feet (2.1 kilometres) deep.

So the real question is whether it is possible for Mount Everest to have risen to its current height fast enough to fit a time-scale consistent with the Flood. The earthquake that caused the Indonesian tsunami of December 26, 2004 caused an uplift of at least 20 feet (six metres) in a few minutes, which is a speed of about 240 feet per hour (84 metres per hour). At that rate Mount Everest could have reached its current height in about five days. Forces observed in earthquakes are sufficient, if extended long enough, to quickly raise the highest mountain to its current height in just a few days.

The result is that, based on the amount of water on earth, and observed tectonic forces, there was the potential to quickly raise mountains. So the global Flood of the Bible is theoretically possible. You can see a seafloor study that traces culprits behind Indian Ocean tsunami[8] for further explanation. 2



Just because Judaism wasn't the first monotheistic religion doesn't mean it was the wrong one.

Genesis 5:4 (KJV)
4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Adam's sons and daughters were not Jews. It wasn't until the Law of Moses was established that Judaism became a true religion.

God even set plagues on Egypt because of the Egyptians who were worshipping their false gods.

****
A schoolboy walked into his fourth-grade Math class, and the teacher asked the class what 5^2 was. This school was very poor, and couldn't afford many school supplies, and neither could the children.

The boy said, "The answer is 10!" He was the first person to answer. None of the children had a calculator or knew the answer, and the teacher was a substitute who never did very well at Math, and she didn't have a calculator either.

Because the boy answered so enthusiastically and was so sure of himself, the teacher said, "Yes, you're correct."

----

A year later, there was a new fourth-grade class in school. The same teacher who was terrible at math was substituting again. The question was the same: what does 5^2 equal?

A new student answered the question, saying, "The answer is 25." The substitute said that the student was wrong, because she remembered what the child from last year had said the answer was: 10.
***

The new student wasn't the first student to answer the question, but he was correct. Just because he came an entire year after the first boy, that doesn't mean that he's automatically wrong.

5^2=25

Just because a religion may have existed first, doesn't mean that Judaism was wrong. Just because Judaism came before Christianity, doesn't mean Christianity is wrong. Just because Catholicism came before Protestantism, doesn't mean Protestantism is wrong.

Just because one boy didn't answer a math question first, doesn't mean that boy was wrong.
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