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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:52 am


Writing about characters doing period dances is still rather new to me. I shied away from scenes involving them for a long time since I had never done any of them and didn't really know anything about them. Always I had references to the fact that people were dancing, but it was never the characters of my book, always people in the background. I tended to have my characters standing off in a corner and just talking.

Recently, though, I've learned a number of period European dances and gained some insight into how they work and how easy it is to carry on a conversation while dancing them. So, I've tried twice now to include such dancing in my writing.

Here's a site that explains a little about Alman dances. It might be useful.

The first attempt was modeled on the Black Alman and had the characters dancing the dance while carrying on a conversation. It ended up rather clumsy. I'm not fond of the way that the descriptions of the motions slowed down the conversation. But I had also originally tried describing the whole dance before actually going into their conversation and that had an odd disconnect. The effect was the same as just having them standing in a corner and talking while other people were dancing. It just didn't work right.

A couple nights ago, I tried again with a dance called the Horses' Bransle (which, for the purposes of the story, I renamed the Centaurs' Bransle). It's far more repetitive than that Black Alman and allowed for a bit of middle ground between having it interrupt the conversation and have it be disconnected from the characters, but I'm still not entirely pleased with the outcome.

Has anyone else tried to write dances into their works? Any good ideas?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:24 pm


I have a few dances planned, so I have no idea of how I am going to write them yet. I'm having enough issues with trying to make battle scenes look good in text. Imagining them isn't enough obviously, so I envy the movie directors and actors.

With dances, I suppose if there was a way of describing a dance then people would know what the dance is, of if there's a site that explains different dances and where they originated from. If there was a name, and an description, then maybe writing the dances wouldn't be so much of a pain in the rear? I've tried to look for such sites myself, but the more specific you are when you search on engines like Google, the more crap it chucks up in your face (99% of it always appears irrelevant).

I know this isn't about dances, but there's going to be a point in my book when a character is going to be beaten, thrown into prison and starved whilst the jailors wait for a VIP's return when they plan to hang him. It took me months to find almost everything I wanted to know about starvation and how it'd affect someone who'd been beaten beforehand and then only being given water for about 10 days (if not a TAD longer). I still haven't found out everything yet. Google always gives me information about rats, and when I asked organisations about eating disorders (like Anorexia because it deals with starvation and the wasting away of muscle, tissue and organs), they said they didn't know anything about it. ¬_¬'

So, right now I have no idea where to look when it comes to writing about dances. If there WAS somewhere that gave explanations other than a book, then that'd help us.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:53 pm


There are technical ways of describing dances, just like there is for describing a fight. But the problem is that the more technical you get, the more confusing it gets to people who aren't familiar with the terms. Saying something like "the dance consisted of sets of two alman doubles interspersed with rounds of siding" may be a good description, but it's just going to send someone not in the know reaching for google, instead of reading the story, or worse, simply setting it aside as boring. It's just like describing a fight by saying "he held one sword sotto mano and lashed out with a vicious moulline with the other."

One way of dealing with this had occurred to me early on. I have one character who does not know how to dance being taught by another, who does. I had originally thought to write out the scene where he was teaching her the basic steps that are the building blocks of a great number of period dances and telling her the terms. In that way, her education was also going to become the reader's education. But the scene was clumsy and dull as hell, so I chopped it.

Here's what I have at the moment for my most recent attempt. It's a Forgotten Realms fanfiction, so the characters aren't my own, originally. I'm just playing with them.

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Eight couples, Arilyn and Danilo among them, gathered into a pair of concentric rings facing each other; lords on the outside and ladies on the inside. The opening reverence sounded and soon they were stepping back and forth, side to side in sets of two steps, the two circles moving together for a number of bars, following the music as if it was a set of spoken instructions.

“I have a bad feeling about this,” Arilyn whispered to Dan.

“Nonsense, my dear!” Danilo replied. “This is one of the simplest bransles in existence. It’s almost impossible to mess up the steps. At least, as long as you can count to two, which, between you and me...”

“That’s not the part I’m worried about.”

Danilo gave her a smile, but not one of his sarcastic, foolish ones that he gave everyone. She had seen him smile this way before, but never while using his mask persona. This smile was unequivocally genuine.

“My lady, you are fair and intelligent,” he said with a flourish of his hand, “you cannot help but to blow them away.”

The music changed key for a moment and the two circles stopped their back and forth motion. Danilo stomped a foot on the ground twice, stepped right once, then turned over his left shoulder. As he finished, a small white flower appeared in his hand, still glistening with the last remnant of a spell. He deftly placed it in her hair, just behind her ear. As the music repeated the last few measures, Arilyn repeated Danilo’s steps, hearing a faint chiming from the blossom. When she finished her turn, she found herself facing another dancer and the music began again, back at the beginning, as the two circles began their sideways movement once more.


The dance I'm lifting is called the Horses' Bransle. It's a very simple dance, which is why I chose it. Plus, I just love dancing it in real life. It lets you meet all sorts of fun people. Sort of the period version of speed dating, which is another reason I chose it. Arilyn ends up having short conversations with a number of random guys which was an element needed for the story line.

I'm mainly concerned with the portion of the dance where the stomping happens and then the two circles travel in opposite directions a half a space each (resulting in the two circles shifting one partner over). I'm not certain I managed to convey that up until then, they were dancing in the same direction at the same time and then switched to moving opposite each other. And I'm also not sure how to go about making that clearer without making it sound dull.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:26 pm


I've erm...actually never heard of the Horse's Bransle before... confused
Is there a YouTube video of it being demonstrated at all?

Also, are there ways of effectively explaining dances that already exist apart from saying "they danced the waltz" or "they did the merengue" or even "they took part in the ball, even though they were unsure as the next dance was the cha-cha."

Somehow, just mentioning dance names like that takes some of the fun out of it but then if you try to describe it it's probably going to end up looking daft.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:43 pm


Well, there's lots of videos of people playing the tune, but not much in the way of people actually dancing it.

Here's one of a different version of the dance, where everyone is in a single circle and you actually don't change partners at all. It was apparently recorded at Pennsic 36, so these are SCAdians. Please ignore the Hollywoodesque bellydancer.

That's, unfortunately, the only version of it that I can find on YouTube and it is, alas, not the version I learned and am using in the story. But you might get some idea of the dance steps from it and it is still the same tune.

EDIT: Found another one, but this, too, is not the version I learned. This has the men on the inside circle, and the two circles dance in opposite directions all the time. xp

Here's a video of another dance nicknamed "Toss the Wench." It was originally called Official Bransle. You might know the tune as that of the Christmas carol "Ding, Dong Merrily on High." I dance this one a bit faster and it's so much fun!

And just for reference if it comes up,here's a video of the Black Alman, which is the other dance I've tried to describe in a piece of writing.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:56 am


I started a new thread in the Theatre & Galleries about dance as well. However, that's about types rather than how to write about them.

This thread needs reviving just as much as the others. So, shall we work on how to describe certain dances?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:07 am


I gotta tell ya, I've never written about dancing in any of my stories. At least not yet anyway. It's funny cuz I think a dance scene could be written much easier for me than a battle scene. I suppose maybe it would be just as tough cuz I don't know much about dancing so... don't expect me to post much here. mrgreen
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:34 am


If there is nothing relevant to say, don't post in the thread at all. It's more aggravating when there's nothing said to further the topic than when there's no reply at all. I've actually added instances like this to the rules. Don't post unless there's something specific you want to say. If you don't intend to use the thread regularly, don't post in it. Please!

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