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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:56 am
So what do you think? Some people say the author, the plot, the chracters, etc. But what is your opinion?
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:20 am
First it would be the plot, then characters, then their story. Author has really not much to do with it, unless most their books are good any way. Any author can right a story that they think is good or that the critics think is good, but honestly its the readers own opinion. They can't just assume that if they liked it that everyone else will.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:05 pm
The plot, characters, and their story, to be sure. I find though, that if the author doesn't have good sentence structure and a fluid style of writing, that I can't really get into the book. While short and choppy writing may be appropriate for a certain situation, I don't want to read a whole novel of it. Author is a big part for me.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:32 pm
Hmmmmm . . . When I read books, the ones that really stick are those that have what I call a high "believability quotient." The characters actually act like people instead of being cardboard mouthpieces for perfect witty banter, the setting remains stable and consistent unless spontaneous change is plot important, the characters are FLAWED (no one is without flaws, and I don't believe it is interesting to read about "Patsy Perfect" solve every problem thrown at her without batting an eye), etc. Stories that remain grounded are the ones that make it to the top of my list. Shiori Yukine wrote: Quote: I find though, that if the author doesn't have good sentence structure and a fluid style of writing, that I can't really get into the book. While short and choppy writing may be appropriate for a certain situation, I don't want to read a whole novel of it. So true - especially when it begins to interfere with the readers' understanding of the actual pace of the action. Shadowdragon087 wrote: Quote: Any author can right a story that they think is good or that the critics think is good, but honestly its the readers own opinion. They can't just assume that if they liked it that everyone else will. Also very true: too many authors make the mistake of pleasing only themselves, but, then again, every word that goes into a story is the author's choice - unless their editor is particularly invasive. Readers' choice has more to do with a book's popularity, rather than its quality. Well, that's my two cents.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:43 pm
I think for some people the author does make the book, but generally, as a whole, who the writer is does not usually depend on how well the book is received.
For me, I usually don't read books that are general, or have your typical plots and characters. Typically I don't read books with heroines in them for the sole reason that I can't handle reading drama. I also find that many of the books I've read with female protagonists seek to accomplish the same goals, the same ways, as every other female character ever written, the right and fair way. Female characters never seem to be very out of the box, as it were. But I won't go off on that anymore.
Back to my first point, I read the back covers and in-covers of nearly every book I come across, and sadly that is what makes me want to read or not read it. If it sounds not so much innovative, I don't read it, even if its one of favourite authors. I know 95% of books written are the same Joe redressed and renamed on a different world doing the same thing, but, if the author can't mix it up enough so that I can't tell, I don't bother with it.
Nobody has said this yet, but does anyone else overlook books that have shitty cover art? I'm sorry but a book has to catch my eye, be created so that simply passing by the book the artwork grabs me, slaps me and says READ IT! I know its a shallow aesthetic habit but I do it.
I agree that writing style is a huge factor. I prefer authors who have short, clean sentences. I hate authors who use A. made up words, B. dead words, and/or C. use many words that I need to physically look up. Twilight bugged me because every 3rd chapter Meyer would throw a million dollar word into the story that NEVER ADDED to it. British authors I love because of the dialogue, but the narration kills me, I end up having to guess what words mean and I'm an English major and my vocabulary is pretty extensive.
I know I've more or less covered this in the last few paragraphs but I just want to see that I agree with azafran, characters need to be extensively thought out and well written, challenged and injured, scarred but triumphant. I'm not going to lie, I like solo heroes over groups of heroes. Mostly I prefer solos because they usually have a cause and they don't care about anything else until its accomplished. I find groups boring and dynamics are usually overly done up and there's always one traitor, who wait! Turns good at the end or sacrifices themselves for the good of the others. Either that, or they are the typical group, the leader who is super strong and level headed, next to always male; the compassionate female character who is destined to die a virgin; the witty annoyance who hits on everything with legs, usually male; and last but not least, the brawn, the huge muscle bound tank, some times subbed out for a knowledgeable wizard though that roles is usually mixed in with the sole female character.
Well I think I've gone on enough, a few thoughts turned out quite a bit of writing.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:58 pm
Adding a nickel: The Great Lion wrote: Quote: Typically I don't read books with heroines in them for the sole reason that I can't handle reading drama. I also find that many of the books I've read with female protagonists seek to accomplish the same goals, the same ways, as every other female character ever written, the right and fair way. Female characters never seem to be very out of the box, as it were. I would love to be able to counter that, but, as of this moment, I can't remember any stellar examples to the contrary. When I compile a list I will certainly post it. (By no means am I trying to be snarky, just so you know. Whatever I say I mean with the utmost respect.) The Great Lion wrote: Quote: . . . Does anyone else overlook books that have shitty cover art? Guilty as charged . . . There's a trite quote about it and everything, yet here we are . . . Stereotypes simultaneously sell and kill books. It's such a pity when you buy something that sounds good, but then once you've gotten past the preliminary "world-setting-up" you realize you've already read the same book before, so to speak. A good book ought to be something that's never been seen before - the original that the latest stereotypes mimic 'cause they want to catch a ride on the "fame train."
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:26 am
azafran Adding a nickel: The Great Lion wrote: Quote: Typically I don't read books with heroines in them for the sole reason that I can't handle reading drama. I also find that many of the books I've read with female protagonists seek to accomplish the same goals, the same ways, as every other female character ever written, the right and fair way. Female characters never seem to be very out of the box, as it were. I would love to be able to counter that, but, as of this moment, I can't remember any stellar examples to the contrary. When I compile a list I will certainly post it. (By no means am I trying to be snarky, just so you know. Whatever I say I mean with the utmost respect.) The Great Lion wrote: Quote: . . . Does anyone else overlook books that have shitty cover art? Guilty as charged . . . There's a trite quote about it and everything, yet here we are . . . Stereotypes simultaneously sell and kill books. It's such a pity when you buy something that sounds good, but then once you've gotten past the preliminary "world-setting-up" you realize you've already read the same book before, so to speak. A good book ought to be something that's never been seen before - the original that the latest stereotypes mimic 'cause they want to catch a ride on the "fame train." That's cool, I'd actually like to see someone write up a list of decent heroine based novels cause I'm always up for a good read. I know what you're saying about the fame train, how many wizard books came out after Goblet of Fire? Since Harry Potter wasn't exactly famous in the muggle world till after his 3rd year at Hogwarts. Let alone, how many magic based fantasy books flooded the shelves after Harry Potter became mainstream? And, pardon my use of the word, Eragon, after that hit shelves and exploded, why I still have no idea, there were hundreds of new books with kid to teen heroes, all no better written either. And now with Twilight, Vampire novels are making a huge comeback. Already my book store has a table with "Horror" *cough* VAMPIRE *cough* books all nicely laid out and displayed because Meyer hit a gold vein and exploded with wealth and now a movie. Ah well, such is the world of writing.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:31 am
First off, a book's storyline has to make sense and not be confusing. A confusing storyline just throws me off when I read. Next, the book has to be descriptive about the characters and the surroundings so you can see what's happening in your head. And finally the book needs to be exciting and not boring. It also has to be original. In my opinion of course.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:03 pm
A lot of things; but for me, a good book has to have visually rich characters with intensive description regarding their pasts and ofcourse a book must have a kick butt plot to survive the most laid back critics.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:21 am
well for me it is how the author writes his book and also the charaters are very importand... I don't wan't to want to hit the main person in the head or something... an the plot ^^
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:08 pm
Ones with a main plot, and character development, a general good flow, not too many details. I don't mind some descriptions but too many ruins the book. A interesting plot, and story. If there is are many plots there should be one main and they should not over step the main plot but flow with it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:24 am
Most of the time I just read anything, but there are some things that make me want to finish and love a book: Endearing characters, Imersive plot, and descriptive writing (not overly descriptive, but enough so that your mind is given the basis to create and see the world it is in).
I must say that if I see a book by one of my favorite authors, I immediately pick it up to see what it's about, so the author is sometimes what makes a book good for me, but not always.
I do look at books covers and judge them by their art, If it has good/detailed cover art or an awesome title, I pick it up and check it out, and if not, I tend to leave it where it is and maybe "come back to it later".
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:00 am
What I love is Fantasy books that have real objects and places in them,and interesting titles..............wait,the second one was kinda obvious sweatdrop
Lets get back to my first point.A book with facts and real life places/monuments etc,is what I love,anyone else agree?
I also like the flaws in the characters,like Artemis Fowl,he's bad with emotions,Nicholas Flamel,everybody hates him,even though he's the good guy.That's why I'm not a great fan of the Alex Rider books,he's just too perfect,he can fight,he's smart,he's fit,he gets the ladies,hardly ever injured and so on.
Cover art is a big factor for me,so is the title,but if one is bad,then I say 'no'.eg.Great cover,but bad name and vice versa.
The same author thing,if that was a crime,then I'd been in jail for 30 years. I nearly always pick a book from an author I know well,just a habit I guess.
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