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 Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:29 am
Hi2U all
So Ive always wondered about this.
How does haste rank in terms of dmg > crit > int > stam etc in the tree of stats for shadow priests?
What makes it good/bad?
What do you personally think of haste for shadow priests?
(In comparison with other classes as well)
What about in comparison with before/after the last patch (when they implemented haste effecting GCD)
Kk, Im trying to make an epic discussion thread. I couldnt find any maths on the haste stat for shadow priests so it should make for a good thread? Maybe! We will see, now gogo discuss!
I play a shadow priest, and personally I would take dmg over haste whenever I get the chance. Id actually take almost any stat over haste. I still think with as many instants as I have (which is like, lol2) that haste is a s**t stat. But the other shadow priest in my guild loves haste. He has some haste gear and will socket with haste. Our gear is about of equal level, and we're usually about equal on the dmg meters. Which is very unhelpful cause i cant really judge haste based on that :p
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:30 am
My shadowpriest is my main, and is in Gruul's/ZA right now.
You need roughly 785ish spellhaste to get the full 1sec GCD. Thats a lot of ******** spellhaste.
Shadowpriests in t6 who stack spellhaste will definetely be dishin more hurt than a t6 priest who doesn't, although you have to keep in mind that while spellhaste is going to up your dps, it doesn't up your dpm (damage per mana). Spelldamage increases your dps AND dpm...but by a static amount.
I looked around for some solid math on spellhaste and it looks like there isn't any around yet. People are saying anywhere from .8 spellhaste = 1 dmg and 2 spellhaste = 1 dmg. Its pretty ballpark right now.
For the beginning shadowpriest, I would say cap your ******** spellhit FIRST, before you do anything else. Then you can stack spelldmg til the cows come home. Int is something else you want after spelldmg, although you should ALWAYS go for spelldmg first. Remember, in raids, your job is to provide the healers/dps (whoever you're grped with) extra mana. Your spelldmg IS YOUR MANA POOL. Until you get a decent amount of spelldmg, you'll be chain-chugging mana pots and using your shadowfiend a lot, but thats okay. Int is secondary to spelldmg. A bigger mana pool helps, but you want spelldmg first.
Crit is next to useless for shadowpriests. You only have 2 spells that crit, wtf is the point? I'd take big reliable spelldmg-influenced hits over sporadic small/sad crits any day. Also if you crit on a SW: D thats a lot of health gone, moreso that your healer (or you, our healers are nice enough to take care of me lol) has to worry about you more.
If you can get spellhaste along WITH spelldmg, spellhit, int, whatever you need, go for it. However I wouldn't gem for it or take it over spelldmg. As of patch 2.3 it affects almost all of your spells, but as I said, it takes a lot of spellhaste stacked to make a difference.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:42 am
lol 785, wtf
I thought at first youd said 78 and thought to myself "thats not that much!" Totally missed that 5 there.
And myself and my counterpart are both in 4 peice T6, but hes got 102 haste rating (Opting for the haste offhand, haste wand, and haste rings) compared to me with 0 haste rating cause I think it sucks, and we do about the same damage.
One thing thats been said to me about haste is "you should stack it because then you will regen faster" But if you're sacrificing damage for haste then you will ultimately regen less.
Yea and what you said. Haste gets you more dps, but no dmp :p
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:16 am
I think all of our shadow priests would have a heart attack and die without haste... They always blabb "After 1300 damage stack haste because 1 haste = more spell damage blah blah" I've noticed what haste helps with the mana regen and slightly helps damage. I know shadow priests love pumping out the same DPS no matter the gear so the difference isn't huge.
With our noob shadow priest, he has around 10 haste and I always go OOM with him. With the other two who have way more haste, I never have mana problems. This is what I noticed during Timed ZAs where I'm too lazy to drink between pulls...
Stacking haste on a resto druid is stupid too, not really fond of haste myself. Has to be more useful for shadow priests I think. I'm a noob and usually don't pay attention to DPS, too busy yelling at the noob healers @_@
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:58 pm
Indigogold With our noob shadow priest, he has around 10 haste and I always go OOM with him. With the other two who have way more haste, I never have mana problems. This is what I noticed during Timed ZAs where I'm too lazy to drink between pulls... yeah but are you going oom in his group because he doesnt have haste? or because hes just a bad player in general :p that is the question.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:19 pm
Bacchant Indigogold With our noob shadow priest, he has around 10 haste and I always go OOM with him. With the other two who have way more haste, I never have mana problems. This is what I noticed during Timed ZAs where I'm too lazy to drink between pulls... yeah but are you going oom in his group because he doesnt have haste? or because hes just a bad player in general :p that is the question. I hope he's out of his bad player fit... After being yelled at and having your rotation worked on for one bloody month he should be doing it properly. Then again he doesn't get to raid nearly as much, I love recruiting lol...
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