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But that's exactly it! You make it sound like guys look at an a** and think it's attractive because they're imagining what they'd do with it during sex. That's not it at all. At least not for me. I see a girl who has an attractive a**, that's it. I enjoy looking at it. I try not to stare, but honestly, an attractive a** or attractive breasts are eye drawing. :shrug: It's human nature, and I'm not going to deny that I find them attractive or try to block out the part of me that's attracted just because society tells me to. But I'm not going, "Man, that would just be nice to, you know, grab on to," I'm not getting sexually aroused, unless I allow myself to. I'm just thinking, "God. That is a well crafted a**. I find it pleasing to look at." Perhaps subconsciously there is something sexual to it, but it would be in the same way there may be something sexual to the eyes, or the hair.

The problem is, you're assuming that any guy who looks at and appreciates your a** or breasts is appreciating them only because he wants to ******** you. That's simply not true. Admittedly, a lot of the time it is true that he wants to ******** you. Which, really, is that an insult? It's a human impulse, driven by how attractive you are. I don't see how that's an insult. But secondly, a guy can look at your breasts or a** without his mind being consumed by, "Oh, I want to throw her on the ground and ******** her brains out right now." Darling, you're flattering yourself if you think that's the case. And, at least for me, those are truly secondary features for whether I find a woman attractive or not. The face does it for me first. The eyes, hair, lips, and organization of facial features comes first; If a woman doesn't attract me there, I don't even look at her breasts or a**.

Mm. But for that matter, what of the characteristics women find attractive in males? Obviously, the p***s is kind of hidden, so it's hard for a woman to judge a man based on that. But quite a few of my female friends find a man's voice or eyes sexy. They get turned on by them. Is it wrong for them to compliment a man's eyes or voice? Should it insult me for a girl to tell me I have beautiful eyes? (Ugh, makes me feel a little gay referring to any part of me as beautiful. xd ) Or for a girl to compliment my singing voice? You can say, "The hips and breasts are secondary sexual organs," but why? What makes them so? Neither of them, necessarily, has any more to do with sex than hair, face, lips, or ears do. What makes them sex organs? And I'd explain hair, face, lips and ears as secondary sex organs, but that gets a little more graphic than I'd like to get in a public forum. sweatdrop Although I will note that the same logic that turns breasts into solely sexual objects is used to push laws that prevent women from breastfeeding in public, which is bullshit.

And you keep bringing it back to your original post; I'm way past that now. neutral I already stated, and stand by it, that that was an inappropriate comment; First because it was in public, second because, really, he couldn't see the guy's p***s so he had nothing logical to base it on, and, thus, his mind was obviously solely on sex. That I agree is totally inappropriate, at least in public. But, and it may not be fair to women, but their asses and breasts are both publicly viewable. And I can see beauty in them without thinking of them in a sexual way.

As far as wearing a bra around men, that's common sense if you don't want to have them thinking sexually. But she's not telling you to wear a bra because she doesn't want your brother's friends to admire you, she wants you to wear a bra because bouncing breasts attract the eyes and thinking about breasts distracts young men's thoughts. lol Also, I'd say that your mother probably follows modern standards. I'm not saying that modern standards don't look down on this, I'm saying they shouldn't.

I already mentioned that there is something inherently sexual about mentioning the v****a or p***s, because they are not visible, and so obviously the person is speculating. Which means they are most likely thinking about sex.

And you're correct, that would be entirely inappropriate way to talk that way about children. And there is a sexual quality to such comments. But adults aren't children. There are many things that aren't appropriate to talk about with kids, including basically anything having to do with sex. As adults, sexuality becomes part of who we are. I'm sorry, but it's true. And I'm not going to become some pent up prude who never talks or thinks about sex, for fear of "objectifying" women.

I'm also saying you can talk about a woman's figure in a non-objectifying way; You're the one who is saying that talking about the a** or breasts is objectifying. In my opinion, it's only objectifying if you're actually only thinking about the woman in terms of sex. And to judge someone complimenting a body part so severely? To say that someone finding you attractive could only be objectifying you? Is ridiculous.