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 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:29 pm
ashlander_alpha Thanks for the support, Battou.
And, uhmmm...Mr. Gr1mm Pandas...I hate to sound like a stickler, but your NSBM banner leaves me a little puzzled. Did you mean to put "philanthropy" in there? Yes. The way I sees it is that BM started off nihilistic. If you take a look at old pictures of Mayhem (don't like the band, probably won't ever), they look like they just don't give a crap. And since philantrophy is to me associated with a cause, in this case cleansing European land of non-whites, it is not Black Metal. I myself am not a nihilist, but it does appear for me a strong foundation of TNBM and therefore almost all BM.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:20 pm
PandasRGr1mm ashlander_alpha Thanks for the support, Battou.
And, uhmmm...Mr. Gr1mm Pandas...I hate to sound like a stickler, but your NSBM banner leaves me a little puzzled. Did you mean to put "philanthropy" in there? Yes. The way I sees it is that BM started off nihilistic. If you take a look at old pictures of Mayhem (don't like the band, probably won't ever), they look like they just don't give a crap. And since philantrophy is to me associated with a cause, in this case cleansing European land of non-whites, it is not Black Metal. I myself am not a nihilist, but it does appear for me a strong foundation of TNBM and therefore almost all BM.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:40 pm
ashlander_alpha PandasRGr1mm ashlander_alpha Thanks for the support, Battou.
And, uhmmm...Mr. Gr1mm Pandas...I hate to sound like a stickler, but your NSBM banner leaves me a little puzzled. Did you mean to put "philanthropy" in there? Yes. The way I sees it is that BM started off nihilistic. If you take a look at old pictures of Mayhem (don't like the band, probably won't ever), they look like they just don't give a crap. And since philantrophy is to me associated with a cause, in this case cleansing European land of non-whites, it is not Black Metal. I myself am not a nihilist, but it does appear for me a strong foundation of TNBM and therefore almost all BM. Donkey crap. I was thinking of the meaning of supporting an actual ideaology. Not necessarily with money but just wanting that ideaology to succede. Lol, I need to stop getting on the computer at 2 in the morning stressed xd
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:57 pm
Konrad Kurze My Hollow Konrad Kurze I have no problems with NSBM bands as long as they play good music and don't fallinto turning the lyrics into drone/mindless NS propaganda. IMHO, BM should be all about anti-religion but non-polythical. That's really dumb. Really, really dumb. From Wikipedia: Quote: The most common and founding lyrical emphasis revolves around Satanic, Pagan, and/or occult themes. Opposition to Christianity is a nearly universal theme among black metal bands. War, misanthropy, and suicide are often explored. Lyrics may also celebrate environmental origins of bands, celebrating darkness, winter, snow, blizzards, forests, and other natural surroundings of northern European countries, as well as their folklore and history. Lyrical content may also be inspired by fantasy. The Austrian band Summoning focuses almost exclusively on J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth for its lyrical content. Other bands create their own fictional realms (for instance, certain songs by Immortal depict a fictional kingdom called "Blashyrkh"). Bal-Sagoth's material is made up of various song cycles, and original fantasy narratives, inspired by writers like Robert E. Howard and H. P. Lovecraft. Seems they are dumb there too... wink Anyway, that's the way I feel about BM in general and it's way rude to start calling other people's opinions dumb, specially when you don't know the person at all. If you pass by a stranger in the street that talks to you and he says something you don't like, do you just call him dumb? I bet you wouldn't... The advantage of interecting behind a monitor is that people get bolder and braver... Wikipedia can be edited by any idiot with a keyboard, it's not a trustworthy site. What does me knowing you have anything to do with this? As for me calling that dumb, I guess you are right. I chose a bad word. The word I should have typed was ignorant. You are really ignorant. Accprding to your viewpoint, Black Metal bands like Woods of Ypres and Forest of Fog, have no place in Black Metal because their lyrical content has absolutely nothing to do with anti-religion. Lyrics don't equal genres. Whatever the ideology is, things evolve and change. If someone wants to make Black Metal about crunchy snacks, then they should be welcome to do so. That's the artists ability of free speech and creative explortaion.
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:57 pm
Konrad Kurze My Hollow Konrad Kurze I have no problems with NSBM bands as long as they play good music and don't fallinto turning the lyrics into drone/mindless NS propaganda. IMHO, BM should be all about anti-religion but non-polythical. That's really dumb. Really, really dumb. From Wikipedia: Quote: The most common and founding lyrical emphasis revolves around Satanic, Pagan, and/or occult themes. Opposition to Christianity is a nearly universal theme among black metal bands. War, misanthropy, and suicide are often explored. Lyrics may also celebrate environmental origins of bands, celebrating darkness, winter, snow, blizzards, forests, and other natural surroundings of northern European countries, as well as their folklore and history. Lyrical content may also be inspired by fantasy. The Austrian band Summoning focuses almost exclusively on J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth for its lyrical content. Other bands create their own fictional realms (for instance, certain songs by Immortal depict a fictional kingdom called "Blashyrkh"). Bal-Sagoth's material is made up of various song cycles, and original fantasy narratives, inspired by writers like Robert E. Howard and H. P. Lovecraft. Seems they are dumb there too... wink Anyway, that's the way I feel about BM in general and it's way rude to start calling other people's opinions dumb, specially when you don't know the person at all. If you pass by a stranger in the street that talks to you and he says something you don't like, do you just call him dumb? I bet you wouldn't... The advantage of interecting behind a monitor is that people get bolder and braver... A few points: -I have gotten into valid discussion with strangers, without disrespecting them or making any sort of derogatory comment. -Wikipedia doesn't know ANYTHING! -LOL WIKIFAG FAIL! -Note the bolded segments. MOST of it. Not ALL of it.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:48 am
Seems you're just a bunch of ignorant teenagers that prefer to throw insults around than discuss things... rolleyes Which leads to the second part of my statement: it's easier to type in a keyboard than to say it straight to the face. i doubt any of you would have the guts to say that to me in a live conversation standing inches from me. Internet morale booster for the win...
Yes i said that BM should be anti-religion and non-political, because it's the way I feel about it since i have strong views about religion. But never i said that some BM bands would have no place in black Metal... heck Immortal and Sirius, two of my favourite Black metal bands don't even talk about religion and I like them. My point was that the true nature of BM should be anti-religion since it's the reason it was created for.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:39 pm
My Hollow Konrad Kurze My Hollow Konrad Kurze I have no problems with NSBM bands as long as they play good music and don't fallinto turning the lyrics into drone/mindless NS propaganda. IMHO, BM should be all about anti-religion but non-polythical. That's really dumb. Really, really dumb. From Wikipedia: Quote: The most common and founding lyrical emphasis revolves around Satanic, Pagan, and/or occult themes. Opposition to Christianity is a nearly universal theme among black metal bands. War, misanthropy, and suicide are often explored. Lyrics may also celebrate environmental origins of bands, celebrating darkness, winter, snow, blizzards, forests, and other natural surroundings of northern European countries, as well as their folklore and history. Lyrical content may also be inspired by fantasy. The Austrian band Summoning focuses almost exclusively on J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth for its lyrical content. Other bands create their own fictional realms (for instance, certain songs by Immortal depict a fictional kingdom called "Blashyrkh"). Bal-Sagoth's material is made up of various song cycles, and original fantasy narratives, inspired by writers like Robert E. Howard and H. P. Lovecraft. Seems they are dumb there too... wink Anyway, that's the way I feel about BM in general and it's way rude to start calling other people's opinions dumb, specially when you don't know the person at all. If you pass by a stranger in the street that talks to you and he says something you don't like, do you just call him dumb? I bet you wouldn't... The advantage of interecting behind a monitor is that people get bolder and braver... Wikipedia can be edited by any idiot with a keyboard, it's not a trustworthy site. What does me knowing you have anything to do with this? As for me calling that dumb, I guess you are right. I chose a bad word. The word I should have typed was ignorant. You are really ignorant. Accprding to your viewpoint, Black Metal bands like Woods of Ypres and Forest of Fog, have no place in Black Metal because their lyrical content has absolutely nothing to do with anti-religion. Lyrics don't equal genres. Whatever the ideology is, things evolve and change. If someone wants to make Black Metal about crunchy snacks, then they should be welcome to do so. That's the artists ability of free speech and creative explortaion. Black Metal has always had a taint of ignorance. I think it's logical why Konrad Kurze has such an opinion. To me, Black Metal has seemed to be a conservative genre, unappreciative of new things. I think that every Black Metal band should wear Corpse Paint and dress in the typical "Evil Leogolas Punk" style fashion. It just seems like Black Metal would be better sticking to its roots, even though I don't exactly approve of those roots... neutral
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:07 pm
Konrad Kurze Seems you're just a bunch of ignorant teenagers that prefer to throw insults around than discuss things... rolleyes Which leads to the second part of my statement: it's easier to type in a keyboard than to say it straight to the face. i doubt any of you would have the guts to say that to me in a live conversation standing inches from me. Internet morale booster for the win... Yes i said that BM should be anti-religion and non-political, because it's the way I feel about it since i have strong views about religion. But never i said that some BM bands would have no place in black Metal... heck Immortal and Sirius, two of my favourite Black metal bands don't even talk about religion and I like them. My point was that the true nature of BM should be anti-religion since it's the reason it was created for. Its also easy to seem like a self-righteous p***k over a keyboard. If you doubt it, let me know where you live, if I am ever in the area I will tell it straight to your face. Anyway, I hope that you're "Smart" post has increased the size of your ePenis, 'cause from this angle it seems like all you've done is piss off the captain of this guild and some "Ignorant Teenager".
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:25 pm
Konrad Kurze Seems you're just a bunch of ignorant teenagers that prefer to throw insults around than discuss things... rolleyes Which leads to the second part of my statement: it's easier to type in a keyboard than to say it straight to the face. i doubt any of you would have the guts to say that to me in a live conversation standing inches from me. Internet morale booster for the win... Yes i said that BM should be anti-religion and non-political, because it's the way I feel about it since i have strong views about religion. But never i said that some BM bands would have no place in black Metal... heck Immortal and Sirius, two of my favourite Black metal bands don't even talk about religion and I like them. My point was that the true nature of BM should be anti-religion since it's the reason it was created for. Trust me, I would have NO problem saying your statement was dumb and/or ignorant to your face. As for the age comment, you actually think you are proving your own maturity by calling me and my members a bunch of dumb teenagers? So when someone says something you don't agree with you get all heated, start spouting off about age, and start talking nonsense about me saying it to your face. As far as your above post about Black metal, you made it into a paradox. What does it matter where something started or what one's own personal beliefs are grounded? It's about artistical freedom, not what doctrine a genre is founded on. You took what I said way overboard, and that's not my problem. Also, if you have such a problem with me or my members (who are all, except for two, over the age of 1 cool , then nothing is stopping you from quitting.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:58 pm
I would like to interject at this point that a black metal band that sang about crunchy snacks would be the kvltest ******** thing...EVER.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:21 pm
Mind if I get in on this?
I think the saying Black Metal should be only about anti-religious themes would be putting BM into a box. The thing I think is interesting with metal is the fact that a band can take a sound created by the creator of the genre, make it their own, and make the genre sound fresh while exploring a new direction in which to take the genre. If an artist is in love with the sound Black Metal is based on, but not to thrilled with the themes in which it was based on, I think it is fascinating how the artist can stay true to the genre by have a similar sound, but including lyrics that gives the band it's own distinct personality. If all Black Metal was about anti-religious themes, sure it would be staying loyal the the genre's roots, but a little too much. I think that soon the bands in the genre would sound too similar making Black Metal lose it's originality, be boring, and, inevitably, die out. I think the introduction of new themes in the genre add variety and keeps it interesting.
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:34 pm
Dragon Bleed Mind if I get in on this? I think the saying Black Metal should be only about anti-religious themes would be putting BM into a box. The thing I think is interesting with metal is the fact that a band can take a sound created by the creator of the genre, make it their own, and make the genre sound fresh while exploring a new direction in which to take the genre. If an artist is in love with the sound Black Metal is based on, but not to thrilled with the themes in which it was based on, I think it is fascinating how the artist can stay true to the genre by have a similar sound, but including lyrics that gives the band it's own distinct personality. If all Black Metal was about anti-religious themes, sure it would be staying loyal the the genre's roots, but a little too much. I think that soon the bands in the genre would sound too similar making Black Metal lose it's originality, be boring, and, inevitably, die out. I think the introduction of new themes in the genre add variety and keeps it interesting. I agree with this 100%. What's the point of only sticking to one theme? Then you would have a bunch of Black Metal fans, complaining about how this band is constantly ripping of this other band. Lyrics don't have to have any religious connotations. If they do, fine. But I don't see at all why any of them have to be limited to. The fine line is this: what YOU personally want in your music verus what should be exceptable. If you want BM to be all about anti-religion or NS, knock yourself out and listen to bands who have that lyrical content. But why ruin it for the rest of us? Subject matter changes with time, some issues become more important and others become less important. Don't trap a genre because that's what it was founded on. Besides Lyrics =/= genres. That's a fact, not an opinion.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:55 pm
Dragon Bleed I can't listen to a band without knowing the lyrics. I think that music is a way of expressing ideas and feelings. The lyrics are supposed to explain the ideas and the music is supposed to convey the feelings. If the lyrics are weak or express something that I don't believe in, I usually cannot get into the song. There have been some songs that I have listened to that have great music, but when I look at the lyrics, the song is ruined because I can't get into the lyrics. Agreed
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