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 Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:43 pm
So this is always a touchy subject when being discussed by Christians. So I'm going to come right out and say that Evolution is a viable theory. It has become readily apparent that Gaia's Christians are not so close-minded as to not read my positions on things. Go you.
Evolution is defined as "change over time". If you cannot see that happening, you're blind. I'm not saying evolution is the source of all life, in fact, quite contrary. In my mind, evolution is it's own death sentence. Even Darwin's Finches prove to be the anti-thesis to his theories. Yes, when the finches environment changed, those not fit for the new environ died, leaving only the most fit. However, the environment tends to cycle-hot to cold to hot; dry to wet to dry; etc. So those finches most fit for one environ will not be fit for another, and so when the new environ cycles in, the "fit" finches suddenly become unfit, and those called "unfit" in the last generations become "fit". Evolution and natural selection are a cycle. Never will those two form a new organism. But they do actually happen, 'kay?
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:35 pm
I believe that evolution and creation support each other.
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:50 pm
You seem to be one of the few, Paladin. Most Christians hear the word Evolution and automatically jam thier fingers in their ears and scream at the top of their lungs to ignore you, because they automatically assume that one is speaking of Evolution as the origins of life, instead of just...change over time within a population.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:26 am
*Looks at WP, reaches out, and shakes his hand* Let's make this a god one pal. Quote: So this is always a touchy subject when being discussed by Christians. So I'm going to come right out and say that Evolution is a viable theory. Let's see how many fevered posts I get from people who stop reading there. Wow for starters not much faith in these people. Kinda arrogent and doubtful if you ask me. Question are you trying to start a fight? Quote: Evolution is defined as "change over time". If you cannot see that happening, you're blind. I agree, though I am thinking that you really are trying to pick a fight with someone. Quote: I'm not saying evolution is the source of all life, in fact, quite contrary. In my mind, evolution is it's own death sentence. I really do find this last part very, very interesting. Basically your saying that there is going to be a point where humans as well as creatures will stop adapting, aka evolving. I truly have to disagree. Creatures will continue to adapt to their enviroment for as long as they need to. And trust me these creatures will keep moving about and spreading for as long as we humans keep moving about. Some species of animal use to be located in only one part of the world, now are located all over the world. Such as differnt species of rabbits. Quote: Even Darwin's Finches prove to be the anti-thesis to his theories. Yes, when the finches environment changed, those not fit for the new environ died, leaving only the most fit. One thing I like about Darwin is that he always told people that evolution was just a theory of his, and yes what you just showed was somthing called "Survival of the fittess" where only the most capable can adapt and survive aka evolve to fit their enviroment. Quote: However, because the environment tends to cycle-hot to cold to hot; dry to wet to dry; etc. So those finches most fit for one environ will not be fit for another, and so when the new environ cycles in, the "fit" finches suddenly become unfit, and those called "unfit" in the last generations become "fit". I'm starting to see what you mean by death sentence, very interesting stuff. I'm not even being my usual sarcastic self here. Anyways yeah I really do agree with every point your making, but I fail to understand the whole point of the evolution theory. This is just a small part of it and the beleivable part since it can be plainly seen. The part that we come from chimps is the part I disagree with. As far as adaption, we will always, always adapt to anything as long as we have the 3 basic needs, air, water, and food. Quote: Evolution and natural selection are a cycle. Never will those two form a new organism. But they do actually happen, 'kay? Yes sir! But like I said your pointing out the obvious truth that helps support the the over all theory. People knew for a long time that animals could adapt, but it was Darwin who thought, "What if this causes all new species to be born." and THATS what christians disagree with. Dude seriously why are you making them look like dolts? Quote: Please, just try and prove me wrong, WtC. I'm not going to prove you wrong because your right. Because you pointed out the facts that this theory was based on. Adaption does not equal Darwins theory of evolution. It was the facts you pointed out that helped create the theory. Let me show you the definition of theory from dictionary.com 1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity. 2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact 6. contemplation or speculation. 7. guess or conjecture. Basically it's like a hypothesis that can't be proven. They just use well known facts to establish it. Like Darwin did. And that's all he ever saw it as was a theory. It's everyone else who wants to prove the bible wrong that are teaching it like it's a fact. Oh and for the record the other definitons were over math and music and didn't really have much to do with the topic. Here they are just to avoid conflict. 3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory. 4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory. 5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles. Quote: You seem to be one of the few, Paladin. Most Christians hear the word Evolution and automatically jam thier fingers in their ears and scream at the top of their lungs to ignore you, because they automatically assume that one is speaking of Evolution as the origins of life, instead of just...change over time within a population. That IS what evolution is, an explanation on how life got started. Well to the sense on what Darwinism take place. I mean yeah evolution=devolpment and can be use for the evolution of languages, culture, and lifestyle. But when you use Darwin along with that term it usually stands for his famour evolution theory.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:03 am
Alright. Maybe I ought to tweak my first post. I bring up evolution in a similar manner with other Christians, and I get exactly what I expected. I suppose I should have expected this level of...I can't think of the word. >< But yeah, I should of figured that Gaia's Christian's are far less close-minded than people I know in real life. But yeah. And I realize that, out of context, my whole "evolution is its own death sentence" kind of makes no sense, and I should probably tweak that. I'll do some minor tweaking here.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:42 pm
XD. That's cool, look forward to anything you have to say. BTW though I'm not a christian.
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:33 pm
Hm. That's cool...I suppose. I dunno. The non-christian's in the guild are who I put the whole-now deleted-"prove me wrong" thing in for. I'm always looking for the next arguement people plan on throwing at Christians, but I'm obviously not going to get that from Christians. At the same time, though, I love playing devil's advocate in debates, because it's startles me sometimes how little people know about their positions on an arguement.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:44 pm
Wolfes Poetic Hm. That's cool...I suppose. I dunno. The non-christian's in the guild are who I put the whole-now deleted-"prove me wrong" thing in for. I'm always looking for the next arguement people plan on throwing at Christians, but I'm obviously not going to get that from Christians. At the same time, though, I love playing devil's advocate in debates, because it's startles me sometimes how little people know about their positions on an arguement. I agree 100%!! and about your first post...from what i see aren't you talking about adaptations...not evolution??
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:34 pm
Wolfes Poetic So this is always a touchy subject when being discussed by Christians. So I'm going to come right out and say that Evolution is a viable theory. It has become readily apparent that Gaia's Christians are not so close-minded as to not read my positions on things. Go you.
Evolution is defined as "change over time". If you cannot see that happening, you're blind. I'm not saying evolution is the source of all life, in fact, quite contrary. In my mind, evolution is it's own death sentence. Even Darwin's Finches prove to be the anti-thesis to his theories. Yes, when the finches environment changed, those not fit for the new environ died, leaving only the most fit. However, the environment tends to cycle-hot to cold to hot; dry to wet to dry; etc. So those finches most fit for one environ will not be fit for another, and so when the new environ cycles in, the "fit" finches suddenly become unfit, and those called "unfit" in the last generations become "fit". Evolution and natural selection are a cycle. Never will those two form a new organism. But they do actually happen, 'kay? Pretty much. I personally believe God is the one RESPONSIBLE for evolution.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:28 am
I am an anthropologist. And a christian. And, I agree with everything that has been said here. lol
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:02 am
Oh? Which branch of anthropology do you studie? Personally I take more interest in sociology and psychology though I wouldn't call myself an expert in either. Human anatomy oddly enough is one of the least interesting things in anthropology. Though the humanities have meaning interesting subjects like philosophy and performing arts. I'm guessing you might stidy under the religious and historical parts of the humanities considering the topic at hand. I'm not an expert on any branches of anthropology, but the human is definetly very interesting.
But which parts do you actually agree with if you don't mind me asking. Personally I don't beleive in evolution as stated before and argued against, atleast in the sense of how Darwin put it, but I do believe in adaptation which has been pretty much proven to anyone who watches animal planet or discovery channel. The only evolution I really beleive in is the evolution of culture and language.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:47 pm
Wolfes Poetic So this is always a touchy subject when being discussed by Christians. So I'm going to come right out and say that Evolution is a viable theory. It has become readily apparent that Gaia's Christians are not so close-minded as to not read my positions on things. Go you.
Evolution is defined as "change over time". If you cannot see that happening, you're blind. I'm not saying evolution is the source of all life, in fact, quite contrary. In my mind, evolution is it's own death sentence. Even Darwin's Finches prove to be the anti-thesis to his theories. Yes, when the finches environment changed, those not fit for the new environ died, leaving only the most fit. However, the environment tends to cycle-hot to cold to hot; dry to wet to dry; etc. So those finches most fit for one environ will not be fit for another, and so when the new environ cycles in, the "fit" finches suddenly become unfit, and those called "unfit" in the last generations become "fit". Evolution and natural selection are a cycle. Never will those two form a new organism. But they do actually happen, 'kay? On the contrary, that definition of evolution is extremely faulty. The types of evolution discussed by scientists are: 1. Cosmic evolution- the origin of time, space and matter. Big Bang. 2. Chemical evolution- the origin of higher elements from hydrogen. 3. Stellar and planetary evolution- Origin of stars and planets. 4. Organic evolution- Origin of life from inanimate matter.(Abiogenesis) 5. Macroevolution- Origin of major kinds. 6. Microevolution Variations within kinds- Only this one has been observed, the first five are religious. They are believed, by faith, even though there is no empirical evidence to prove them in any way. Microevolution is what Darwin saw when he saw the very slight variations in the finches. Different beak sizes is entirely different from animals turning into other animals. I've actually researched the theory of evolution personally. I used to think that evolution and creation could work together, but when I learned the specifics, I found just how incompatible they will always be. What's more, I found that evolution is lacking in any evidence that isn't based upon assumptions. The many theories and assumptions intertwined in this mess of a theory contradict and disprove each other over and again. But DO NOT take my word for it!!! So many of my classmates at USC believe in evolution simply because they've trusted their teachers and professors, and have jumped on the bandwagon to go along with the popular theory. By all means, research this stuff for yourself before drawing conclusions that ultimately shape your worldview! I invite anyone that wants to know what I've found concerning the theory of evolution to see my topmost journal entry. Or you could go to www.drdino.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:12 pm
If you look at it evolution is impossible....
1.Fish could never adapt to start breathing air, because if they tried they would've died!
2.The End!
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:23 pm
You suck so passionately
I agree that simple adaption happens over time, but the theory of evolution is not simply "change over time." There's a lot more to it than that, my friend.
You're a parasitic, psycho, filthy creature
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