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Queen of the Radii

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:34 pm


So the Hate Groups thread reminded me of this and I'm curious as to what you guys think about it. This is the one of the things which makes me doubt NZ's current government. (I'm just gonna quote from Wikipedia 'cause I'm lazy. Sorry that it's kinda long).

Wikipedia
The Electoral Finance Act 2007 is a controversial enactment regarding electoral finance law in New Zealand. The Act was introduced by the current Labour Government partly in response to the 2005 New Zealand election funding controversy, in particular "third-party" campaigns.
The proponents of the bill generally held that it was required to prevent wealthy private parties from "buying elections" via advertising campaigns or other financially costly lobbying, while the opponents considered it a serious restriction of civil liberties, and further considered that spending private money on political campaigning was a democratic right.
The Act amended numerous areas of New Zealand electoral law. Principally, and most controversially, it proposes regulation of "third party" election campaigns

Third party campaigns
The Act makes it illegal for anyone to spend more than NZ$12,000 criticising or supporting a political party or taking a position on any political matter, or more than NZ$1,000 criticising or supporting an individual member of parliament, without first registering with a state agency, the Electoral Commission.
The Act as introduced required that unregistered third parties file statutory declarations before publishing election advertisements.
The Act originally limited the spending of registered third parties on political advertising to $60,000, but this was later increased to $120,000 by the Select Committee.
The regulation of third parties also extends to their finances. The Act requires that third parties disclose all donations they receive over $5000. Anonymous donations third parties receive over this level must be given to the State.

Regulated period
The Act extends the "regulated period" for election campaigning from the current 90-day period to begin on January 1 of election year - from three months to around ten, depending on the timing of the election. This is the period within which electoral advertising must follow election rules, and the period over which the spending limits apply. This regulated period applies to individual candidates, political parties and third parties.

Controversy
The Coalition for Open Government, a group that advocates the reform of election finance law in New Zealand, opposed parts of the Act, particularly the failure of the Act to ban secret donations to political parties, given the strong financial disclosure requirements the Act placed on third parties.
The broad definition "election advertisement" came in for particular criticism. Critics, including the New Zealand Law Society, Catholic charity Caritas, and the Royal New Zealand Forest and Bird Society argued the definition will catch not just electoral speech, but almost all political speech - including things like placards at protest marches.
The parliamentary opposition, the right-wing National Party, also opposed the Act. Political commentator Matthew Hooton argued that the Bill should not proceed, and that the Minister of Justice is a "danger to democracy". On 6 October 2007, a group known as the Free Speech Coalition was formed by prominent right-wing bloggers David Farrar and Cameron Slater, and Bernard Darnton, leader of the Libertarianz Party, to oppose the Act. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society and NORML New Zealand, and the Direct Democracy Party of New Zealand also opposed the bill.
Criticism has also been made over the process that led to the Act's introduction, which only involved discussions with the Labour Government's supporting parties, and not the Opposition.
However political commentator Chris Trotter had harsh criticism of the detractors of the Act in several opinion pieces in The Dominion Post. He wrote in the 17 August Dominion Post, "let's just take a deep breath and examine the rules that govern election spending in Britain and Canada (countries which, the last time I looked, were still counted among the world's leading democracies). In Britain, "third party" expenditure is capped at 5 per cent of the expenditure authorised for political parties in the 12 months prior to polling day.
In Canada the figure is 1 per cent, but applies only to the period of official campaigning. (Mr Burton is proposing a cap of 2.5 per cent or $60,000 for 10 months.) In both Britain and Canada, third parties are required to register with the official electoral regulators; both countries also restrict the contributions of foreign donors to third parties; and both require the identity of third party donors to be made public. That is how modern democracies conduct themselves.
But, in New Zealand, it is still acceptable (at least to the National Party) for those with the most money to have the most say."
--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Finance_Act

So do you think this Act is a good thing or not? Also, what are the laws regarding this in the US?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:51 am


I don't know about the US, but I hate this law, as I do not believe in money at all. The gov should feed, cloth, and house you, So much easier. Basically, I'm a Communist.

Siegfried Kiefter


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:35 pm


My husband just completed a one-year stint as Treasurer for the Libertarian Party of Riverside County. Believe me, we know ALL about campaign finance law.

Believe you me, we HATE campaign finance laws.

If you don't think that the truly rich don't have their loopholes, you're wrong. If you don't think this empowers and entrenches incumbents, well, just try running outside the approved system. If you don't think this isn't a well-disguised ploy to impoverish third parties and independents, try starting your own Party. hahahahahahah.

It's bogus. Completely utterly bogus.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:38 pm


So, overall it's a law that makes lobbying illegal? I'm for it.

The amount being donated to a political campaign should be regulated. This ensures that the campaign isn't being affected by outside-third-parties who have a financial interest if a certain politician wins and owes them a favor or two.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:48 pm


rockerpixie
So, overall it's a law that makes lobbying illegal? I'm for it.

The amount being donated to a political campaign should be regulated. This ensures that the campaign isn't being affected by outside-third-parties who have a financial interest if a certain politician wins and owes them a favor or two.



You misunderstand "third parties"!!!!

I meant Non-major parties: i.e. Libertarians, Greens, Socialists, Natural Law, etc. Campaign finance laws were written by Republicans and Democrats and trust me when I say that their entrenched system is still working just fine.Their special interests have all sorts of little tricks to keep going, and we are left with basically nada.

The regulation isn't working. Period.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:49 pm


Given that this particular law was voted for by Labour, The Greens, New Zealand First and the Progressives and voted against by National, the Maori Party, ACT and United Future (with Labour and National being the two major parties) I'd say that it probably doesn't disadvantage minor parties. Also, the 2005 election controversy it refers to was mainly over the Labour Party's spending, and the "third parties" it refers to are rockerpixie's deifinition, specifically the Exclusive Brethren Church who distributed pamphlets which were anti-Labour and the Greens.

Here's a quote from the don'tvotelabour.org.nz website:

Quote:
The Electoral Finance Act does four major things:

It expands the regulated speech period for an election from 90 days to all of election year.
It dramatically expands the definition of what is an election advertisement so that it includes protest placards, e-mails, posts to Internet newsgroups and forums (only non-commercial blogs and news media sites are exempted).
It places limits on public advocacy for or against parties, candidates or types of parties or candidates which are a minute fraction of the limits the politicians themselves have.
It makes it easier for parliamentary parties to spend money on their re-election campaigns and not have it count as part of their overall spending limit.
Overall the Electoral Finance Act greatly advantages incumbent political parties and MPs. The general public face a much much more restrictive law which inhibits their ability to advocate for or against parties and MPs for a massive 30% of the electoral cycle, while the parliamentary parties and MPs are now able to more easily spend taxpayer money on their re-election campaigns, without it even counting as part of their legal spending limit.


This site got taken down initially because of this law, but then they made it a blog so that it was legal, haha.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:27 pm


Ladygaura
rockerpixie
So, overall it's a law that makes lobbying illegal? I'm for it.

The amount being donated to a political campaign should be regulated. This ensures that the campaign isn't being affected by outside-third-parties who have a financial interest if a certain politician wins and owes them a favor or two.



You misunderstand "third parties"!!!!

I meant Non-major parties: i.e. Libertarians, Greens, Socialists, Natural Law, etc. Campaign finance laws were written by Republicans and Democrats and trust me when I say that their entrenched system is still working just fine.Their special interests have all sorts of little tricks to keep going, and we are left with basically nada.

The regulation isn't working. Period.


OOPS. I guess I only read the first half of the quote.

WELL, in THAT case, yeah I agree. It's not good for the non-major parties.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:30 pm


Queen of the Radii
Given that this particular law was voted for by Labour, The Greens, New Zealand First and the Progressives and voted against by National, the Maori Party, ACT and United Future (with Labour and National being the two major parties) I'd say that it probably doesn't disadvantage minor parties. Also, the 2005 election controversy it refers to was mainly over the Labour Party's spending, and the "third parties" it refers to are rockerpixie's deifinition, specifically the Exclusive Brethren Church who distributed pamphlets which were anti-Labour and the Greens.

Here's a quote from the don'tvotelabour.org.nz website:

Quote:
The Electoral Finance Act does four major things:

It expands the regulated speech period for an election from 90 days to all of election year.
It dramatically expands the definition of what is an election advertisement so that it includes protest placards, e-mails, posts to Internet newsgroups and forums (only non-commercial blogs and news media sites are exempted).
It places limits on public advocacy for or against parties, candidates or types of parties or candidates which are a minute fraction of the limits the politicians themselves have.
It makes it easier for parliamentary parties to spend money on their re-election campaigns and not have it count as part of their overall spending limit.
Overall the Electoral Finance Act greatly advantages incumbent political parties and MPs. The general public face a much much more restrictive law which inhibits their ability to advocate for or against parties and MPs for a massive 30% of the electoral cycle, while the parliamentary parties and MPs are now able to more easily spend taxpayer money on their re-election campaigns, without it even counting as part of their legal spending limit.


This site got taken down initially because of this law, but then they made it a blog so that it was legal, haha.


Sorry Radii-- Rockerpixie and I started talking about the American version, McCain-Feingold, I'll have to look at the Z one a little closer

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:41 pm


I realized I can't apply a full Leg-a**l to this because I am just not that knowledgeable about New Zealand. But I can see some problems and a lot of potential for abuse.

First of all, if you're going to regulate limits on the one hand and then allow secret donations on the other, you're just asking for trouble.

I am not sure of all of the details of registering as a PAC like entity but I can see some potential for abuse there too

I also do see it as dampening the ability for a true independent to break into the process. I definitely don't like that. I'd rather debate a good new Independent candidate any day of the week than a dozen cookie-cutter GOP or Dem candidates.

I can't say I like this one either.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:24 pm


Interesting, thanks for your input.

Also, this just in, "Labour breaches own Electoral Finance Act". Ha, it seems like just a pain really.

Queen of the Radii

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