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 Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:45 am
Will our actions now affect things in heaven? Is there a reason for us to be here now that will have an eternal effect?
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:17 am
Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:48 am
Shotokittie Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes. Fair enough. What I really mean is, if a Christian lives his/her life in sin (doesn't care if she's breaking God's laws or not), will he/she enter heaven?
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:37 am
Man of Christ Shotokittie Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes. Fair enough. What I really mean is, if a Christian lives his/her life in sin (doesn't care if she's breaking God's laws or not), will he/she enter heaven? Answer: no. Repentance is the only thing that keeps us in communication to God. Without it we are still wrapped up in sin. If adam and eve were booted out of the garden because of sin, what makes us think we can go to heaven wrapped up in sin? In short, if we get to live our lives in calloused sin AND go to heaven, we're saying what Jesus did had no power or meaning.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:27 pm
Man of Christ Shotokittie Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes. Fair enough. What I really mean is, if a Christian lives his/her life in sin (doesn't care if she's breaking God's laws or not), will he/:she enter heaven? I would say that person isn't a Christian.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:02 am
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Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:39 am
Yes, we will all have to give an account for what we have done in this life. He can judge even our motives and thoughts. However, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1.
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:58 pm
The Bible also says that only od can know your heart... that person's intent in their sin matters, as well. Part of what Jesus taught was to obey the spirit of the law above the letter of the law (when he allowed his disciples to pick fruit and eat it on the sabbath, for example).
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:12 pm
If only 450 people give me 50 gold... < Also, it kind of defeats the purpose to abuse his forgiveness, that is one of the things he warns us off.
Yeah... Sorry I've been gone, my parents went through a divorce, my mom is now smoking (as I found out) And I live in an appartment complex in Columbia. > I could get that Assassin's guise! 0/450
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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:26 am
Poem Man of Christ Shotokittie Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes. Fair enough. What I really mean is, if a Christian lives his/her life in sin (doesn't care if she's breaking God's laws or not), will he/she enter heaven? Answer: no. Repentance is the only thing that keeps us in communication to God. Without it we are still wrapped up in sin. If adam and eve were booted out of the garden because of sin, what makes us think we can go to heaven wrapped up in sin? In short, if we get to live our lives in calloused sin AND go to heaven, we're saying what Jesus did had no power or meaning. Well, perhaps that's true. Then again, judgment is God's alone, as someone else stated previously. Take this example. It's 1941, and we're focusing on two people on two different continents. One is an American book seller, the other one is a Nazi in a concentration camp. Both are professed Christians. The bookseller keeps a Bible with him everywhere he goes. Only he doesn't really go anywhere, because his house is actually on top of the bookstore. And the Bible is that he keeps with him is on the bookshelf, waiting to be sold. He's never opened it, and he passes his days never really thinking about Christ, except on those days when he happens to glance at that dusty old tome. The Nazi, on the other hand, carries an iron bible against his chest wherever he goes. He's been involved in hundreds of beatings and tortures, and has shot many Jews who try to escape. He thinks about Christ every day, and reads from the Bible as often as he can. Though deeply troubled, he continues to do those things he does for his nation and his fuhrer. One day he's reading Exodus, and he spots a Jew climbing the barbed wire fence. He's the only one who seems to see him. He aims his rifle, ready to shoot, but waits. Then he puts his rifle down, and picks his bible up again. Over the tops of the pages, he watches the Jew run to freedom. Who has a greater chance of entering the Kingdom? We are redeemed by faith, and Christ's blood washes away our sins. Past, present, and future. That sparing of the Jewish man's life, done in faith, isn't it indicative of something greater at work than the man who idly sells books?
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:22 pm
RyoSW Poem Man of Christ Shotokittie Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes. Fair enough. What I really mean is, if a Christian lives his/her life in sin (doesn't care if she's breaking God's laws or not), will he/she enter heaven? Answer: no. Repentance is the only thing that keeps us in communication to God. Without it we are still wrapped up in sin. If adam and eve were booted out of the garden because of sin, what makes us think we can go to heaven wrapped up in sin? In short, if we get to live our lives in calloused sin AND go to heaven, we're saying what Jesus did had no power or meaning. Well, perhaps that's true. Then again, judgment is God's alone, as someone else stated previously. Take this example. It's 1941, and we're focusing on two people on two different continents. One is an American book seller, the other one is a Nazi in a concentration camp. Both are professed Christians. The bookseller keeps a Bible with him everywhere he goes. Only he doesn't really go anywhere, because his house is actually on top of the bookstore. And the Bible is that he keeps with him is on the bookshelf, waiting to be sold. He's never opened it, and he passes his days never really thinking about Christ, except on those days when he happens to glance at that dusty old tome. The Nazi, on the other hand, carries an iron bible against his chest wherever he goes. He's been involved in hundreds of beatings and tortures, and has shot many Jews who try to escape. He thinks about Christ every day, and reads from the Bible as often as he can. Though deeply troubled, he continues to do those things he does for his nation and his fuhrer. One day he's reading Exodus, and he spots a Jew climbing the barbed wire fence. He's the only one who seems to see him. He aims his rifle, ready to shoot, but waits. Then he puts his rifle down, and picks his bible up again. Over the tops of the pages, he watches the Jew run to freedom. Who has a greater chance of entering the Kingdom? We are redeemed by faith, and Christ's blood washes away our sins. Past, present, and future. That sparing of the Jewish man's life, done in faith, isn't it indicative of something greater at work than the man who idly sells books? The Nazi would not be a Nazi if he read that bible, instead of carrying it around like a magic token. Christ teaches and God teaches (for Christ could only do and say what comes from his father) to love the foriegner, love even our enemies, and finally LOVE GOD. We cannot love God of whom we do not see with your eyes, and hate the creation we do see with our eyes everyday. Letting the jew run to freedom is novel. However, how is his personal walk with Christ? Where is his love for the Father? How is he allowing Christ to redeem his once wicked thoughts for new ones? Bottom line is it is not what we carry --a bible, a shovel, or a popsicle. It is about who is in our hearts. We are never righteous by our own works. We can do nothing to justify ourselves. It is Christ who justifies. 3nodding heart
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:40 pm
Poem RyoSW Poem Man of Christ Shotokittie Well, the example you set and the way you treat other people will have some effect on whether or not they'll ever be converted, so yes. Fair enough. What I really mean is, if a Christian lives his/her life in sin (doesn't care if she's breaking God's laws or not), will he/she enter heaven? Answer: no. Repentance is the only thing that keeps us in communication to God. Without it we are still wrapped up in sin. If adam and eve were booted out of the garden because of sin, what makes us think we can go to heaven wrapped up in sin? In short, if we get to live our lives in calloused sin AND go to heaven, we're saying what Jesus did had no power or meaning. Well, perhaps that's true. Then again, judgment is God's alone, as someone else stated previously. Take this example. It's 1941, and we're focusing on two people on two different continents. One is an American book seller, the other one is a Nazi in a concentration camp. Both are professed Christians. The bookseller keeps a Bible with him everywhere he goes. Only he doesn't really go anywhere, because his house is actually on top of the bookstore. And the Bible is that he keeps with him is on the bookshelf, waiting to be sold. He's never opened it, and he passes his days never really thinking about Christ, except on those days when he happens to glance at that dusty old tome. The Nazi, on the other hand, carries an iron bible against his chest wherever he goes. He's been involved in hundreds of beatings and tortures, and has shot many Jews who try to escape. He thinks about Christ every day, and reads from the Bible as often as he can. Though deeply troubled, he continues to do those things he does for his nation and his fuhrer. One day he's reading Exodus, and he spots a Jew climbing the barbed wire fence. He's the only one who seems to see him. He aims his rifle, ready to shoot, but waits. Then he puts his rifle down, and picks his bible up again. Over the tops of the pages, he watches the Jew run to freedom. Who has a greater chance of entering the Kingdom? We are redeemed by faith, and Christ's blood washes away our sins. Past, present, and future. That sparing of the Jewish man's life, done in faith, isn't it indicative of something greater at work than the man who idly sells books? The Nazi would not be a Nazi if he read that bible, instead of carrying it around like a magic token. Christ teaches and God teaches (for Christ could only do and say what comes from his father) to love the foriegner, love even our enemies, and finally LOVE GOD. We cannot love God of whom we do not see with your eyes, and hate the creation we do see with our eyes everyday. Letting the jew run to freedom is novel. However, how is his personal walk with Christ? Where is his love for the Father? How is he allowing Christ to redeem his once wicked thoughts for new ones? Bottom line is it is not what we carry --a bible, a shovel, or a popsicle. It is about who is in our hearts. We are never righteous by our own works. We can do nothing to justify ourselves. It is Christ who justifies. 3nodding heart Mhmm ^.^ I agree with your conclusion. My point was not to condone Nazism, however. It was to illustrate that there is a relative aspect to faith. In this case, wouldn't you agree that the Nazi was more active in his faith by allowing the Jew to escape, and by seeking the truth in God's word, than the man who sat in his bookstore and looked at the Bible only seldomly? Perhaps life and salvation aren't as simple as we think they are?
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