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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:16 pm
While we're at it...
What determines if herbs and spices are kosher?
For example, I get most of my high quality and hard to find stuff at Penzey's Spices.
However their jars do not have an Circle U or KVH on them, nor any kind of markings denoting they paid the rabbi.
I however always see it as "They're spices, how do you make oregano treif?"
So under Neufian Standards, all herbs and spices are kosher.
But... can they be made treif?
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:44 pm
And now... Challah French Toast coutesy; Barefoot Contessa Software 6 extra-large eggs 1 1/2 cups half-and-half or milk 1 teaspoon grated orange zest 1/2 teaspoon pure vanilla extract 1 tablespoon good honey 1/2 teaspoon kosher salt 1 large loaf challah Unsalted butter Vegetable oil Hardware ; Oven, a couple of sheet pans, and a couple of mixing bowls. Preheat the oven to 250 degrees F. In a large shallow bowl, whisk together the eggs, half-and-half, orange zest, vanilla, honey, and salt. Slice the challah in 3/4-inch thick slices. Soak as many slices in the egg mixture as possible for 5 minutes, turning once. Heat 1 tablespoon butter and 1 tablespoon oil in a very large saute pan over medium heat. Add the soaked bread and cook for 2 to 3 minutes on each side, until nicely browned. Place the cooked French toast on a sheet pan and keep it warm in the oven. Fry the remaining soaked bread slices, adding butter and oil as needed, until it's all cooked. Serve hot with maple syrup, raspberry preserves, and/or confectioners' sugar. Alton Brown does his version too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOc0M_Y5q08 , fast forward about 7 minutes, unless you want to hear about toasters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_4cGkzSf7o <--- part two...
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:58 pm
Sounds yummy; thank you!
Also, I'm fairly sure that not all herbs are considered kosher if they're manufactured with certain preservatives and such, but if you just get some out of a garden, I think that's kosher. But, Divash would be able to tell you if this is actually true- my memory of Sunday school is a little hazy. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:30 am
FRESH HERBS: Kosher by default. If they're grown in Israel, however, they need to be tithed properly in order to be kosher.
DRIED HERBS: Plants are kosher. However, if they're dried, they may have been dried in an oven rather than naturally, so the oven would have to be kosher. If there are preservatives, those have to be kosher. The jars, tins, or boxes in which the herbs are sold also have to be kosher. Any adhesives used in the packaging need to be kosher as well, in case they might have come into contact with the herbs.
SPICES: Almost always oven-dried instead of dried naturally. Anything said for herbs applies to spices as well.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:37 am
Divash FRESH HERBS: Kosher by default. If they're grown in Israel, however, they need to be tithed properly in order to be kosher. DRIED HERBS: Plants are kosher. However, if they're dried, they may have been dried in an oven rather than naturally, so the oven would have to be kosher. If there are preservatives, those have to be kosher. The jars, tins, or boxes in which the herbs are sold also have to be kosher. Any adhesives used in the packaging need to be kosher as well, in case they might have come into contact with the herbs. SPICES: Almost always oven-dried instead of dried naturally. Anything said for herbs applies to spices as well. Yeah that's a level of kosher that I'm prolly not gonna go near.
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:20 am
Actually, you might already be buying things that are that level of kosher (meaning actually kosher, since anything that isn't 100% kosher is 100% not-kosher). If you're using McCormick, Durkee, or Spice Islands spices, they're all certified as reliably kosher.
Kellogg's cereals with the K or KD mark on them are reliably kosher, too, even though they don't have a specific hechsher (that is, most of the time a plain K or KD doesn't signify actual kashrut status, but only the fact that the manufacturer thinks the product is kosher). But Kellogg's is actually a reliable hechsher. You'll see a few Kellogg's products that don't have it, but most of their products do have it.
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:59 pm
Yeah but I buy Penzey's spices.
They're higher quality, and I'm one of those foodie freaks who can tell the difference between French Basil, and that which is grown in California.
I'm sure it's just as kosher as McCormick's thou
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:49 pm
Can anyone tell me what is and isn't kosher?
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:22 pm
arcanus torminosus Can anyone tell me what is and isn't kosher? Food wise in general? Pigs are out Shellfish is out Putting Milk and Meat on the same plate is out. Beef, Goat, Lamb, Venison and Bison is Kosher. Most birds that are edible are kosher. All veggies are kosher. All processed foods marked with a KVH or an Circle U have been verified kosher. How strict you keep yourself is variant on the individual's belief system.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:48 am
LordNeuf Yeah but I buy Penzey's spices. They're higher quality, and I'm one of those foodie freaks who can tell the difference between French Basil, and that which is grown in California. I'm sure it's just as kosher as McCormick's thou I don't see any product images that are large enough for me to find a hechsher (a kashrut certification mark) on the bottles, and there is no FAQ on the site, so there's no way for me to know whether Penzey's spices are kosher. I suspect if you call the company and ask, they'll say "Kosher? Well, they're organic/all natural/vegetarian/vegan/high quality." Which means that, no, they're not kosher. Because if they were kosher, their employees on the customer service phone lines would be taught to answer "Yes; would you like to speak to my supervisor about the exact specifications?"
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:34 pm
I called Pensey's and spoke to a represenative.
they said
"We're not certified kosher due to the fact that it would add cost to the consumer and we're focused on maintaining competitive prices in an open market."
I think it's a fair cop, and I don't regard them as not kosher, just not glaat kosher.
And that would be the new reason why Divash will never eat anything from my kitchen.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:33 pm
LordNeuf arcanus torminosus Can anyone tell me what is and isn't kosher? Food wise in general? Pigs are out Shellfish is out Putting Milk and Meat on the same plate is out. Beef, Goat, Lamb, Venison and Bison is Kosher. Most birds that are edible are kosher. All veggies are kosher. All processed foods marked with a KVH or an Circle U have been verified kosher. How strict you keep yourself is variant on the individual's belief system. Thanks.
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:54 am
LordNeuf I called Pensey's and spoke to a represenative. they said "We're not certified kosher due to the fact that it would add cost to the consumer and we're focused on maintaining competitive prices in an open market." I think it's a fair cop, and I don't regard them as not kosher, just not glaat kosher. And that would be the new reason why Divash will never eat anything from my kitchen. True. Though the cost of kosher products is mere pennies per item, in reality. The only items that really get spendy are kosher cheeses and meats, which are two to four times the cost of 'regular' because they take so much more work for the product and then for the supervision. Other products... well, for instance, Kellogg's cereals do so well because they're pretty much the same prices as the other cereals, MAYBE as much as a nickel more per box. Spices, MAYBE a dime more per bottle.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:58 pm
Sometimes I wonder if even the things that are marked with kosher verification can be trusted.
My grandpa worked in a canning company in the mid-west whose products were considered kosher, despite the employees cutting corners. Even the rabbi himself was a little lazy and blessed the plant from an airplane in the sky because he was late for something or another.
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:49 am
That story sounds like a wee bit of an urban legend, for the simple reason that food preparation facilities are not blessed. Blessing has nothing to do with making things kosher.
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