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Lady Ironarm

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:16 am


I'm getting sick of some pro-choicers denying what abortion really looks like. Honestly, if you refuse to believe how gruesome abortion is and looks, either you've never actually seen an aborted baby, or you got an abortion and they didn't allow you to see the aborted child (which is actually pretty common, according to some stories I've seen across the web). I went to the pro-choice guild and they were discussing abortion pictures and most (I think even all) of the people in the forum agreed that the abortion pictures are fakes.

Guardian Angel Aki
I hate the fact that pro-life people go threw the trash, I mean if someone was going threw my trash I would call the police, because I would assume they'd be looking for my parents credit card info or something. I think garbage should be like a mailbox, by federal law you should not be able to open it unless you have specific evidence that proves that something bad is in there. If someone hears crying coming out of a trashcan then they should be able to open it, if they see limbs hanging out of it they can open it, but I believe the garbage people should be the only ones allowed to open it, because where our the pro-lifers getting thoose miscarried babies? From people's trashcans, and if they really claim to be going threw an abortion clinic's trash can then they should be arrested for it.


Here's what I have to say to that statement:
First of all, there have been people arrested for digging through the trash cans of abortion clinics. Why, you ask? Because abortionists do not want pictures like that getting out. I've read so many stories by women who got abortions and they say that the abortionist tells them 3 lies:
1. The abortion won't be painful. In most of the stories I read, women said that they experienced extremely painful cramps for weeks after the abortion. In fact, one women continued having contractions after the abortion, so a week later she went to the hospital only to discover that remnants of the child were still inside of her so her body was trying to reject it. She described the experience as extremely painful, and she had to get the abortion done all over again, which she said was just as bad as the first time. She said it's the worst experience of her life, and it made her suicidal and depressed and full of regret for herself and her child's sake. Here's her story:

Shantel Garcia
I remember growing up I would talk about abortion like it was no big thing. I would get into debates with my mom on how it was O.K. My state of mind was who cares, if you want it done more power to you. I never thought of it as a life changing experience but boy was I wrong.

I was with my boyfriend for two months when I found out I was pregnant. I was only 18 and had just graduated from high school. I wasn't even late I had no reason to even think I was pregnant, I just had a voice tell me "Take a test." When I took the test I came up positive, when I told my boyfriend he was happy so that made feel more at ease with everything that I knew was going to be happening. When I told my mom she and my whole family were disappointed in me, but it was done and what could we do. I had already told everyone my choice (At that time it was to keep it.) About a month later I just started thinking about everything all at once and I got scared I started to realize I couldn't do it I could not see myself having a baby with this guy, first of all he was a 24 year old drop out never had a job and he lived with his grandma to top things off he was in a gang. I didn't want that kind of life for me or my baby. So I broke up with him. After I broke up with him that's when I started thinking about abortion, I thought of it as I didn't want to give him a reason to keep coming around.

My stepmother was the first person I told about what I was considering. I told her because I knew she would understand, she her self had had two abortions prior. She encouraged it, so I made up my mind to go through with it later that night I told my mom about my decision she begged me not to, she said I could have the baby and she would raise it for me, but I didn't pay attention to her I told her no, she finally gave in and said fine. The next day I went to my doctor to get a referral then the following day I called the clinic to set my appointment. Friday March 9, 2001. On that exact day I was two months. I remember that day as if it were yesterday, I woke up and got ready, my mom and me left to the clinic. I remember walking in the waiting room and just seeing all these young girls just like me. I thought to myself just stay strong I can do this. When they called me to go to the back I stood up and my body felt as if I were wearing 40 pound weights, but I went back I filled out the papers. The people there were really nice they made me feel comfortable but I couldn't help but wonder what they were really thinking about me. They took me to a little room where I undressed and they gave me a sonogram I watched I just saw a little dot, but to me it was everything that dot was my life my creation. After I changed in a gown I sat there for a while alone and I remember telling myself I cant do this I said it out loud to myself. I couldn't stop thinking about this baby all the what if's. I was about to let my baby down in so many ways possible, As a mother your job is to protect your child make sure its safe and feels loved. I denied all of that responsibility.

When they took me into the O.R. I took a deep breath and went to sleep. When I woke up I was in the recovery, I just felt so empty inside one minute I had a life living inside me and 20 min later there's nothing. I just started crying so hysterically. The nurse came up to me and said "why are you crying you got what you wanted, now be quiet you're going to worry the other girls." I got my self under control got dressed and walked out into the waiting room as soon as I got out of there I just started screaming and crying what did I do. My mom was crying with me telling me why did I do it. I had to be carried into the car. I cried all the way home I in my life have never felt so much pain like that day.

As of course you all may know at the clinic they tell you you can go to work the same day or even the next day. Ya right. They explained about the bleeding and slight cramping but oh man I was unable to walk for two weeks. The cramping they said should last for about 3 days, each day the cramps got worse and worse to the point where I was in fetal position the medicine didn't even work. My mom called the emergency hot line twice in one night and each time they told her it was normal. It had already been two weeks since the abortion and I was still in such pain, my mom took me to the emergency, they thought it might be infection so they gave me exams but it was nothing so they gave me a urine test, my mom and me were sitting waiting for the doctor to come back in, when she came in the room she looked at me and said, "I just gave you a pregnancy test and your test came back positive." What ended up happening was the doctor did the abortion he just didn't clean me out right, so I still had the baby inside me. So all that cramping I had was the contractions of my body trying to reject the baby since it was already dead. When the doctor told me all of this I felt as if I deserved it. I know I did. So that same day I went back to the clinic and I had to have the whole procedure done all over again.

Its been 4 months now, and it still hurts like it was yesterday. What made it harder for me was after everything was done with everybody acted as if nothing had ever happened. I had no one to talk to who could really understand. I still don't. I still have that emptiness in my heart and in my eyes.

To anyone who is considering abortion talk about it with someone first, because you have no idea what your getting yourself into mentally and emotionally. When I think back to that day when I was sitting in the room alone, I wish I had the strength to walk out.
Shantel Garcia
Onlyshanie@cs.com


2. The baby will not feel a thing. First of all, how can you speak for the baby? Second of all, you can not escape the fact that it is alive (even if it was a bunch of tissue, it is a living organism) and of course it feels pain and can sense coming death.

3. The aborted baby will look like nothing more than a blood clot.
I'd like to meet someone who's seen an aborted baby (from an, oh, say 11 to 15 weeks pregnant woman) and say it looks like nothing more than a "bunch of tissue." Does a bunch of tissue have fingers, eyes, a beating heart?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:02 pm


First of all, who is going through peoples trash cans? That is disgusting and miscarried babies shouldn't be in the trash in the first place (it's illegal to throw babies in the thrash).
Hospitals and clinic should no better then to throw it in the trash, I believe it's considered a health hazard).

Anyways abortion can be very pain and some cases can have complication (infections) and even death.

I believe (depending on how far along the woman is) that when she has a miscarrige it would look similer to a blood clot (because the baby isn't fully devolped yet and she would probably be bleeding heavily), but usually in that case, she probably isn't that far along yet, so it's probably still an embryo, otherwise the doctors would have to preform an abortion in order to get the dead baby out (when a woman has a miscarrige, the body doesn't always reject it).

As for an aborted baby? i'm not sure (depends on what type of abortion is done and how far along she is).

rweghrheh


YellowRoses610

PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:15 pm


Yes because choicers are the paragon of honest, ethics and righteousness. I hope you all sense the sarcasm oozing forth from my pours like sweat when I run. I’m sorry if you are murdering people on a mass scale I care about as much about your right to not have your trash gone through as I care about the safety of a rabid dog running at a small child: not at all. How ever pictures of unborn babies and aborted children should not be your main tactic for convincing people not to have abortions. Wile that can be an add to your argument and wile some people really think it is just a lump of tissue that should not be your only method of convincing them that abortion is wrong. You should argue logically and truthfully.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:25 pm


sachiko_sohma
First of all, who is going through peoples trash cans? That is disgusting and miscarried babies shouldn't be in the trash in the first place (it's illegal to throw babies in the thrash).
Hospitals and clinic should no better then to throw it in the trash, I believe it's considered a health hazard).

Anyways abortion can be very pain and some cases can have complication (infections) and even death.

I believe (depending on how far along the woman is) that when she has a miscarrige it would look similer to a blood clot (because the baby isn't fully devolped yet and she would probably be bleeding heavily), but usually in that case, she probably isn't that far along yet, so it's probably still an embryo, otherwise the doctors would have to preform an abortion in order to get the dead baby out (when a woman has a miscarrige, the body doesn't always reject it).

As for an aborted baby? i'm not sure (depends on what type of abortion is done and how far along she is).


That's true.

Actually, sometimes aborted fetuses are donated to hospitals (or so I've heard.) My friend's mom works at a hospital, and once my friend went to visit and she went into a room and saw aborted fetuses. She said you could see their tiny hands (much smaller than a dime) some of them lookes like their skin tissue was ripped.

Some abortion pictures may well be fake, but surely not ALL of them are. You can go to professional websites and find real abortion pictures, and they're still just as gruesome.

What gets me most angry is when people say "Pro-lifers claim they value life, and yet they treat the aborted fetuses like this, posing them for pictures and what not?"

First of all, yes, we do value life. Are you saying an aborted fetus is alive? That's really interesting of you.

Second of all, because we value life, we will go as far as show people what abortion really looks like so it can be stopped. Yes, we value life that much. smile

Lady Ironarm


Lady Ironarm

PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:26 pm


reggie _chan
Yes because choicers are the paragon of honest, ethics and righteousness. I hope you all sense the sarcasm oozing forth from my pours like sweat when I run. I’m sorry if you are murdering people on a mass scale I care about as much about your right to not have your trash gone through as I care about the safety of a rabid dog running at a small child: not at all. How ever pictures of unborn babies and aborted children should not be your main tactic for convincing people not to have abortions. Wile that can be an add to your argument and wile some people really think it is just a lump of tissue that should not be your only method of convincing them that abortion is wrong. You should argue logically and truthfully.


I love the analogy you made with the rabid dog running at a small child. xD

I agree with you completely.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:14 am


Undiscovered Artist
reggie _chan
Yes because choicers are the paragon of honest, ethics and righteousness. I hope you all sense the sarcasm oozing forth from my pours like sweat when I run. I’m sorry if you are murdering people on a mass scale I care about as much about your right to not have your trash gone through as I care about the safety of a rabid dog running at a small child: not at all. How ever pictures of unborn babies and aborted children should not be your main tactic for convincing people not to have abortions. Wile that can be an add to your argument and wile some people really think it is just a lump of tissue that should not be your only method of convincing them that abortion is wrong. You should argue logically and truthfully.


I love the analogy you made with the rabid dog running at a small child. xD

I agree with you completely.
Thank you. ^_^ I think I write better when I’m really tired. Or at least I lack inhibitions.

YellowRoses610


Tjix

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:57 am


I read all that and have to say I agree with every bit, but there was one part that caught my attention... the pro-abortionist's trash argument. If you'll excuse the rude language... WHAT THE HELL?! He/she was obviously trying to avoid the real subject. That baby shouldn't have been in the trash to begin with, curse it! And they started complaining about people looking through trash (which, by the way, is not true). First of all it's not true, second of all it's not relevant, third of all it's a much smaller issue than killing babies, and fourth of all, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:49 pm


Well, there really are people who go through the trash looking for these babies, first of all to see if the clinics following health regulations, secondly to see how big the babies are and try and figure out the proportion of abortions being done in the third trimester, third to photograph it and show the world. They're not about to go get their own children aborted so they can photograph the bodies. Tiller's clinic put in a crematorium so they could burn the remains when Operation Rescue was doing all of that. It's kind of sick to think about, you walk by that clinic, see the smoke coming out, and you know what it is. Glad I don't live anywhere near there!

But you're right, it's completely dodging the issue. It would be like a teenager whose mother found drugs under his bed going, "Well she shouldn't have been in my room." Only stupider. Depending on where the can is, it's not illegal to go through the trash and you can't be arrested for it. Cops can also search through trash without a warrant if it's outside (So just as something completely off topic, shred any pre-approved credit card offers, bank statements, really anything with your information on it before throwing it out, once it hits the curb it's public). Disposing of human remains in a trashcan like that is illegal I think, so really, I'm not sure that it would benefit the clinics to call the cops anyway.

I'm sure there are shopped images out there. But I'm also sure that a lot must be real. Abortion is legal up through the second trimester in America. That is 24 weeks, and beyond if you have health issues (including mental health, like, distress). The youngest baby to ever survive birth and go on to be healthy was born at 22 weeks. It was not just a bloodclot laying on a pillow that they watered every day until suddenly POP! Oh, it's a baby! Just looking at a fetus of another species should be enough to convince any reasonable person that early on we start getting recognizable features. Now what wouldn't surprise me is if some of these are misdated and that's what they mean by fake; puting up a picture of a 15 week abortion and calling it 6 weeks or something. But I've also seen it the other way, with people putting up a picture of an embryo and labeling it as a 15 week abortion, so it's not exactly one-sided.

lymelady
Vice Captain


divineseraph

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:19 pm


Were I any more cynical, I would compare the making money off of human beings before killing them and then burning them to the Nazi concentration camps.

Oh wait, I think I'll do that.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:01 pm


That story is just so sad..
My mom had an abortion after me..
My little sister Kelly.
I miss her to this day..
Although my mom didn't have any side effects other than the regular cramping..
She didn't even care..
Some people are just cold like that..
If only more people can see this story..
It really brings me to tears..

I actually have a picture of my sister..
My mom aborted her I think when she was 5 months along?
She lied about how pregnant she really was..
It was a month before saline solution was illegal..
In her picture you can see how red she is..
My sister was born lived 45 short minutes then died in my father's arms gasping for air..
She burned alive..
The even sadder thing is my mom wanted nothing to do with her..
All because she would have been mentally retarded..
After she was born the doctor said she wouldn't be..
She STILL didn't care..

It's just so sad that people like my mom are running around out there..
Telling people it's okay to get abortions.

xX Umino-Hinata Xx


divineseraph

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:40 am


xX Umino-Hinata Xx
That story is just so sad..
My mom had an abortion after me..
My little sister Kelly.
I miss her to this day..
Although my mom didn't have any side effects other than the regular cramping..
She didn't even care..
Some people are just cold like that..
If only more people can see this story..
It really brings me to tears..

I actually have a picture of my sister..
My mom aborted her I think when she was 5 months along?
She lied about how pregnant she really was..
It was a month before saline solution was illegal..
In her picture you can see how red she is..
My sister was born lived 45 short minutes then died in my father's arms gasping for air..
She burned alive..
The even sadder thing is my mom wanted nothing to do with her..
All because she would have been mentally retarded..
After she was born the doctor said she wouldn't be..
She STILL didn't care..

It's just so sad that people like my mom are running around out there..
Telling people it's okay to get abortions.


No offense, but may she die in a fiery car crash gasping for breath as the oil-smoke burns her lungs like so much saline.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:17 am


Forgive me simplicity but.... Goat feel bad for poor babies ;_;. I can't believe how ignorant and heartless those doctors can be. I mean, I couldn't sleep knowing that in the past 3 years I've killed like..... 80 babies that could have potentionaly become the leaders and changers of our world, aborting our babies is aborting our future, in a sense.

JTHMFrAeK-Ghoat

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