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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:11 pm


I'm thinking of a future with better transportation, in which you could just take a bullet train out to the farm. (And it doesn't even have to be that far away, either.) People already live in the desert voluntarily, and deserts aren't always hot (e.g., Antarctica). It would probably be best if humans concentrated in mild climates where we don't need much heating or air conditioning, probably near water so we'd have easy access to it. Even in a high-rise, you can have a garden, a pool, etc.--it doesn't have to be like a boxed-in dorm.

My point was pretty much that humans have the technology to live in places where not many plants grow or animals thrive, and we should take advantage of that so we can maximize food production and human comfort without bothering other species.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:44 pm


Yeah, but deserts are generally either very hot or very cold. And almost always far from water. xd That's why they are deserts.

Also, I wasn't saying that a high rise would be uncomfortable; But now that you mention it, that's really part of the reason people think we are overpopulated because on the East Coast we squeeze so many people into such a small space by building up rather than horizontally. And it gets uncomfortable!

But really, I don't see why we should bend over backward to get out of nature's way. I would agree with someone saying that we try to be in more of a unity with nature, but you seem to be suggesting we divide the world into us and them, humanity and nature, and that just seems bizarre and I would completely disagree. sweatdrop We should be part of nature, not make nature out to be the enemy, and not make nature out to be some sort of mystical force that should be honored and left alone.

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:19 pm


Problem is, I don't see humans living in harmony with nature when they live near it, but rather bulldozing trees to build McMansions and complaining about deer in their yards when they were the ones who moved into the deer's habitat. You can't have your Super Wal-Mart and your suburban seclusion, too. You can plant trees in Brooklyn, but you can't build a subway under a wetland.
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:08 pm


...But you see us all moving into high rises in deserts? xd I don't think that's any more likely.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:11 am


It's not so much that we are over populated, it's that we are wasting the resources we need to support the population.
For example, we can use ethonal made from corn as gasoline instead of oil.
It seems to me as we become more "advanced", we become more lax when it comes to handling natural resources and waste them more frequently and instead or recycling we just throw stuff away.
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:37 pm


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...But you see us all moving into high rises in deserts? xd I don't think that's any more likely.


Ever been to Phoenix, Albuquerque or Las Vegas? I think Phoenix is the fastest growing city in the U.S.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:39 pm


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...But you see us all moving into high rises in deserts? xd I don't think that's any more likely.


I live in a desert and I can tell you there is plenty of open space and trees and other plants can grow here, ect... and here it isn't really much hotter then places like L.A.

People can build all things of things if they wanted to (the biggest issue is money. The town near by is very small and poor so they won't do much).


It's not so much as world overpopulation as it is with certain cities being overpopulated. We have many rescources as we but we just don't always use them.
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:30 pm


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...But you see us all moving into high rises in deserts? xd I don't think that's any more likely.


I live in a desert and I can tell you there is plenty of open space and trees and other plants can grow here, ect... and here it isn't really much hotter then places like L.A.

People can build all things of things if they wanted to (the biggest issue is money. The town near by is very small and poor so they won't do much).
If that is true, than it's not a desert by definition. Dry, probably. Bad lands, sure. Not desert. Sounds like you're describing Texas, really, but Texas isn't just a huge desert.

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:11 pm


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...But you see us all moving into high rises in deserts? xd I don't think that's any more likely.


I live in a desert and I can tell you there is plenty of open space and trees and other plants can grow here, ect... and here it isn't really much hotter then places like L.A.

People can build all things of things if they wanted to (the biggest issue is money. The town near by is very small and poor so they won't do much).
If that is true, than it's not a desert by definition. Dry, probably. Bad lands, sure. Not desert. Sounds like you're describing Texas, really, but Texas isn't just a huge desert.


Nope, not Texas and part of the name of the place I live in inclueds the word desert.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:01 am


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And here's the thing too: we're not overpopulated in the West. In other parts of the world, maybe. But places like the U.S. and China (I think it's China) are almost at a negative population growth.

What this has to do with killing your damn child, I don't know.
China definitely is at a negative population growth, because of the enforced population control. The US isn't though, I don't think.

Accordin the CIA world fact book:

China Population growth rate:
0.606% (2007 est.)

US Population growth rate:
0.894% (2007 est.)

World Population growth rate:
1.167% (2007 est.)
It's really interesting to look at that in terms of race too. Studies show that Caucasians are reproducing at a smaller rate than everyone else in North America.

On another note, for each person in the world they need at least 3 cubic meters to survive. That's living space and food production minimum.Of course, that would completely bypass capitalism if we chose to force people to live in conditions like that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:10 am


Engel der Liebe
It's not so much that we are over populated, it's that we are wasting the resources we need to support the population.
For example, we can use ethonal made from corn as gasoline instead of oil.
It seems to me as we become more "advanced", we become more lax when it comes to handling natural resources and waste them more frequently and instead or recycling we just throw stuff away.
Although it's true that we waste natural resources like it's nobody's business, it's also true that there is more oil available to the general public than ever before. The rising gas prices are caused by the demand of consumers. People have decided that they need it so bad that it doesn't matter what oil companies do, they will buy it anyway. A monopoly held by more than one company, interesting concept.

If we're going to talk about waste here, there's the issue of disposable consumerism as well. Everyone went on a huge kick about not littering years ago, but nobody seems to realize that the garbage has to go somewhere, and landfills aren't much better than the street corner. We throw out way too much stuff, but nobody cares because there are enough people around that we can pass responsibility.


Overpopulation is a comfort created by people. By saying that the world is overpopulated it makes it easier to blame everybody else for actions that you choose to partake in as well. There are more people than ever before, but we also have the resources to support this growth if we simply make an effort. Who's making an effort though? I, for one, am not. Are you?
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