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 Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:09 am
i am with you on the other animals things, besides hamsters. i think its unnatural for be held captive against their will.
but domesticated animals is different. where did they go if we release them?
they have no business in the wild, they will not survive without us. we protect them and care for them.
but as for other animals as pets, i agree.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:13 am
Eep! I've wanted a cat for the longest time(adopted of course) but scince my boyfreind absolutlely HATES cats(he calls them bi-polar) I pondered getting a millipede.
Now i'm going to try talking him into letting me adopt a kitty-cat under the conditions that I'd do everything to take care of it, him never having to lift a finger. lol.
Even if a millipede is a giant salad eating bug, lol,
I don't want to have to buy one from a pet store, and it's not like you can find a place to adopt millipedes from,lol.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:45 pm
Speaking of abuse, when I was little we had a cat named Amber's Little Princess(he was a boy). He was an inside/outside cat. But one day some evil old lady who didn't like cats put out some anti-freeze. He was having what looked like seizures, and was always in pain. So we had to put him down. crying
I would rather buy animals from a shelter. How much does a cat/dog cost at a shelter??
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:12 pm
I think its fine to adopt shelter animals as pets if you take good care of them.
I have my Remy, who came from a local bird rescue. He's a cockatiel and is really sweet heart He comes out of his cage everyday and gets to explore. For his adoption day I bought a toy that his shelter was selling to raise money, and I made a donation to them.
If you want a bird get one from a bird rescue! There are many birds that people get and don't know how to take care of and need good homes!
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:53 pm
I think buying animals from unethical sources is terrible - but I completely support having pets. I have a lot of pets and they have the absolute best lives I can provide. I have 4 rats who live in a huge cage and get a fantastic homemade diet.
Sadly, my boyfriends family, whom I live with, do not treat THEIR pets as well as I treat mine. I HATE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. Animal abuse isn't just beating it or starving it. It comes in many forms - including neglect.
Amongst some of our family pets are chickens. we have A LOT of chickens (NOT FOR FOOD!). My boyfriends dad fights roosters. It's something I have to deal with and its absolutely the most heart wrenching thing.
Besides that though, I think having pets is fine as long as they are properly cared for. I ESPECIALLY support having pets if they are rescued.
On the other side of my argument buying from pet stores is like saving the animal. What happens if someone who isn't a good pet owner gets them? What if they are mistreated at a pet store? What then? Buying them takes them out of a risky and dangerous environment. Not buying them only means someone else will. It isn't reducing the number of creatures that are bred for pet store selling purposes.
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:43 pm
We kept animals for pets long enough that many of them have become soley dependent on humans for things like food and shelter. I feel it would be wrong to abandon them now that we have done this. If an animal is being taken proper care of, then i see nothing wrong with keeping it as a pet.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:35 am
I don't really agree with the idea of it, but you see stray cats and dogs who can't fend for themselves.. it's just sad. What I'm really against though, is 'pure bred' animals and breeding animals just to sell them as pets. My family have a lot of pets, but our cats were both given to us by friends who's cats had kittens, we didn't go and buy 'pure bred' ones from a shop or anything..
But we have a rabbit too. That's more akward, as there are wild rabbits who look after themselves. Ours is in this huge shed though, so he has a lot more space than most others I know of. And in the day he goes out in the garden all day to do what he wants.. So in theory he could run away if he didn't like us. wink
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:47 pm
well, its better a caring loving person then someone else, right?
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:05 pm
Here's my opinion-
Okay, so there are all sorts of pets out there, right? Homeless because there's so many. It is right to adopt them, and in the meantime keep them from breeding (neuter, spay, etc.) In this way, you can do a part in preventing overpopulation.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:08 pm
I do not like to buy animals from most pet stores.
I absolutely hate most breeders. They contribute to the overpopulation issue. Purebred animals also often have more health problems than "mutts" due to the negative effects of certain traits that breeders simply like the look of (breathing problems due to the smooshed in face look for example).
But as many others have said, most companion animals cannot live long on their own. So I see nothing wrong with going to a shelter and helping an animal out. You're giving the animal a good home, opening up a spot in the shelter so that they can take in another needy animal, not supporting a breeder, and not supporting overpopulation.
Some people might say the down side is that some animals have to live in a cage. But that's usually for safety, not because we want to be cruel. Free range small animals can chew cords, get their head stuck in gaps under the fridge, get stepped on, and get into all kinds of other stuff.
I had free range ferrets back when I had a very tiny apartment. But now that I have a big old house with all kinds of gaps, and pipes, and drafty places, it's just not going to happen. They'd get outside or stuck in something in no time, and I don't know if I'd ever find them. So you kind of have to weigh freedom with safety. Having them free range was ok before, but it'd be downright cruel in this house. I don't think keeping an animal in a cage most of the time for its own safety is anymore cruel than keeping a toddler indoors most of the time for his or her safety. Because ideally the cage is large, or the animal gets some supervised time out of the cage to run around, or both.
Someone asked about the price of animals in shelters. It depends on the shelter, and it depends on the animal. I've seen shelters give cats or small animals away for free or almost for free if they had a lot of donations recently. Other places may charge a couple of hundred for a dog. But the average shelter price where I am is about $50 for a cat and about $150 for a dog. That might sound like a lot when there are free kittens and puppies in the newspaper. But don't forget that shelter animals usually have their shots and are fixed. That stuff along usually costs around $200 on its own, at least around where I live. So most shelter animals end up being cheaper than those free kittens and puppies in the paper.
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:10 pm
As someone has already said, many of these animals are no longer capable of surviving without people. They have become dependent on us, and rely on us completely to meet their needs. That being the case, can it really be considered a form of cruelty to provide these things? I'd say not. That said, I fully support adopting animals from shelters and rescue organizations. These are the animals that truly need you and the better life you can provide. I do not support buying from breeding programs that run through pet stores, but I do support responsible small-scale breeders that take proper steps to ensure their animals go to good, permanent homes. On the topic of smaller pets such as birds, fish and others, things get a little muddier. As long as the fish keeper does his or her research and provides a spacious environment (absolutely no fishbowls) that meets the animals needs and mimics their natural habitat, then I think keeping fish is perfectly fine. Many common species of fish are now so far removed from their wild cousins, they they too require us to survive. Example: Many types of betta are actually quite different than their wild cousins. I keep betta fish myself. Currently, my fish each have ten gallons of personal space in fully established tanks with plenty of hiding places and a good diet. Having kept them under these conditions, and seeing how they can thrive in their space, I hate seeing them kept in cold bowls or vases. Those, I do consider cruel. Really, it all comes down to the owner and the situation: -Do you know enough to properly care for the animal? -Is this an animal that belongs with people? (I direct this one at those that think keeping wild animals as pets is acceptable) -Are you providing for it as best you can?
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:38 am
I've been pondering on the thought of animals for a lonnnngg time. I really never felt it wrong to be taking care of it, because we aren't being un-vegan and using it as our slave to do things or something along that line. We take care of it, and love it, and it has a whole other life in it's free time (especially if it's an outdoor/indoor animal, like a cat).
The thing that first bugged me, though, was that we're buying meat for them to chow down on. Basically, when we own an animal, we are supporting the meat market, because you have these huge corporations that you buy food from. I've heard of people who make their own animal food so they can at least control what place the meat comes from, and how much cruelty it has when it's made. And I think it's great these people would do that, but I would never want to have to cook meat when I finally get a house of my own. So, it's great that we're taking care of an animal, but I always feel guilty that I can't live without buying meat for food for someone in my family. It's kind of a guilt trip, even though you have good intentions. But, I love all 3 of my beautiful kitties, and I've had them before I became vegan or even vegetarian (one I've had for 6 years >.<), and I'm not going to get rid of them. I don't think I'll actually even feel guilty when I get my own house and get a cat and having to buy meat for it. I really love cats too much to not adopt and live with them.
So, I think this is just another choice that we vegans/vegetarians have in life, and I think it can pretty much be debated any way.
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:57 am
I think if an animal has been domesticated, then it's right to keep them as pets, because they're born not knowing what to do in the "wild" "on their own". That actually leads to suffering.
But as for like, snakes or birds, I really don't think it's necessary.
At the same time, you may figure also "Well, someone is going to buy it, and I find them pretty neat and I'd be a good owner, maybe better than someone else." It becomes complicated then.
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