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_Roxcii_

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:50 pm


Yikes! I'm the first one to talk about abortion! The subject is always so sensitive and things can get really out of hand when debating so firstly I'd like to ask people to keep in mind that everyone has their own views and opinions on this subject so don't go attacking a perons based on their beliefs! Keep it open-minded while discussing and act accordingly!

I, in my personal opinion, thing that abortion is wrong. In most cases it is a teen-age mother who has had sex with someone under various circumstances and was not ready to be pregnant with a child. I think that if the pregnancy was due to a conscience act of the mother then abortion is wrong. That mother was very aware of the consequences of her actions ,and I don't think, that she should be allowed to kill her child without some parental signature (of course if the mother is a minor). Because the ability to just abort the baby doesn't teach the potential mother much. With this luxury at their finger tips some figure that they can go out, be promiscuous, and if they get pregnant then they can just abort and not have to change their life-style. Granted it costs but if they have that money then what difference does it make? I don't think it should be illegal to have the act of abortion. There are those cases where the mother could have been raped, date or otherwise, and in which case it was not of any conscience decision to participate in the act of sex. In cases as those I believe that they should have the right to abort. And if they are a minor than they still, I think, should be required to have a parental or guardian signature.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:06 pm


I'm pro-choice.

I think the government needs to butt the hell out of issues like abortion and marriage. On the subject of abortion, it's the woman's choice to get one or not. The end. Obviously a minor "can't" choose for themselves, and should have a parents permission. But there are issues with that, too. And abortion is not just for teenagers. The Supreme Court would not have ruled on a case dealing with a teenager being stupid and wanting to reverse her mistakes.

Personally, I prefer that women can choose if they want to carry a baby to term or not. It's better than them abandoning the child in a Dumpster or something along those lines.

Women will find ways to get rid of a baby some way or another. Be it through miscarriages from herbs (which can be dangerous to the woman) or through back-alley abortions (also dangerous), they'll find a way. It's better to have it be legal, sterile, and safe.

As is, I'll settle for the government just butting out. Everyone has different opinions. It's better to leave the option open and let women choose for themselves what's right for them.

NightIntent


_Roxcii_

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:33 pm


I agree with a lot of what you say, the government should not be able to choose for a women what she does with the baby. But even if that is the matter, that a women would find a way to get rid of the child in any circumstance; then the abortion clinic does do as you say, it is sterile and safe. But mothers still to this day choose not to go to an abortion clinic, and granted the case may be that they just simply cannot afford the price. But I think more so along the lines of what happens to the child. I'm thinking that if the woman has participated in the acts of sex by choice then the pregnancy is only something natural that would be a consequence. Now I understand that the woman has every right to decide what she wants to do regaurding carrying the child and so on. But I've seen pictures in medical books about what they do with the fetus and it's not pretty. The basically just pile them all up together and throw them away. Instead of being tossed in the trash can that baby could have had a family, and a home. And even in that process a family who could have been unable to have a child can now have one because the mother chose to keep the child.

But I do agree with some of what you said and you do make an excellent point. It's not up to the government to decide what the woman should do with her body, it's up to the woman.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:11 pm


Granted, there are better ways to deal with the fetus. Probably. But then again, they can't rally survive outside the womb anyway, so the same thing'd be happening anyway. Cost is an issue, too. But odds are, if the government would just step off, there would be more clinics it that as an option.

Addressing something you said in the first post, though, having a child should not be a punishment. It should not be a life lesson. If people are having unprotected sex, yes, they should be prepared for the consequences. But if they use birth control, and that fails, what then? They're stuck with a baby they don't want and hadn't planned on. Even if it's a teenager, especially if it's a teenager, what other option is there? Or would you like to walk around school pregnant?

There are multiple other ways for people who want children to get one. I'm sure adoption agencies aren't lacking in children. If that doesn't work, there's always other countries that have excess children. Or getting another woman to carry the child to term--I forget the term for it.

Something to think about: If by law kids can't make decisions for themselves until they're eighteen, why shouldn't that be applied to a fetus?

NightIntent


_Roxcii_

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:59 pm


No you're right having a child shouldn't be a punishment and I apologize if that's the way it came off as to how I meant it. Because that wasn't my intent. But if you looked a stats you would see that a great percentage of abortions happen amongst teens who are practicing unsafe sex and it's a highly commen factor that the teen has also been participating in some kind of drug or alcohol. So when I say they haven't really learned their lesson I mean they haven't really figured out that if you do certain things they have certain consequences.

And you know, it's funny because my sister asked me the very same thing and the answer to this is really tricky. My politically correct answer would be 'No' if I was practicing safe sex and I got pregnant I would not chose to abort the baby. But realistically? I wouldn't know how to react if I had just found out I was pregnant, keeping the child for my self surely wouldn't be an option, not at this age. But would I want to keep it from another family who would be better for the child? And you make a good point adoption agencies aren't in short supply for children and that's a sad thing to think about. But I suppose due to how my family raised me I wouldn't have the conscience to abort. I can though sympathize to any woman faced with that decision and don't get me wrong, I'm not judging the character of the woman by any stretch. And I think I'd have to be in those shoes before I could tell you how I'd react but if I had to guess right this moment? I'd say I'd probably chose to keep the baby. Birth control isn't 100% guarunteed to keep you from getting pregnant and neither are condoms and though they have high accuracy you still need to be aware that there is a chance, though slim as it may be, that you'll get pregnant. And if I went through with having sex completely aware of the chances then it's only resonable to accept the consequences as they may be.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:59 am


This thread is only a few days old, so I hope I'm not posting in a dead thread. sweatdrop
But anyway, my view on abortion...I used to be against it, completely and totally. I used to believe that the act of killing a fetus was cold blooded murder. But last year my best friend went through an abortion and it completely shook my reality. She was too skinny to have a baby at the time, and had she gone through with the pregnancy, she would have had health issues, and the baby would have had health issues.
I realized that sometimes abortion is necessary to, not necessarily murder something you don't want, but to preserve your own life sometimes, so that in the future one might want to try again when their more healthy. Although health issues is the only reason I can see getting an abortion. Even in the case of rape, the baby didn't do anything wrong. True, it's a constant reminder of what happened, but why punish the baby for something the father did?

Sorry it's short. ><

Marit Weller


_Roxcii_

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:23 pm


My point exactly!!!
I am more open-minded about the various circumstances to chose abortion, in life or death situations I find that to be understandable, and in cases of rape and so on. And though I'm not sayin the woman who choses to follow through with the act of abortion is a horrible... whatever, but I find it to be in bad taste. The act of abortion itself is what sets my teeth on edge. My mother got pregnant with me by the time she was 17 years old and I imagine that, that must have been very difficult for her! She could have very well aborted me, but she didn't. She was planning to put me up for adoption and then when she saw me she fell in love with me. One possibility also is that you could be killing the love of your life. My mom and I are like the best team you could think of we've been through so much together and I can't imagine life without her. But I say this all in theory because I have no idea how I'd handle this all in practice. I just dislike the process of abortion and the following procedures and the disposal of the fetus. It's really sickening, especially when you've seen pictures
PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:08 pm


_Roxcii_
Because the ability to just abort the baby doesn't teach the potential mother much.


For some people, that may be true. But I would think that just being pregnant would teach the mother something: That it CAN happen! And that would probably result in:
1. The couple taking more safety measures. (condoms, birth control, etc etc.)
OR
2. The couple to stop having sex.

_Roxcii_
With this luxury at their finger tips some figure that they can go out, be promiscuous, and if they get pregnant then they can just abort and not have to change their life-style.


"Luxury"? I wouldn't consider abortion a "luxury". I don't think anybody wants an abortion. I know I wouldn't want somebody sticking a vacuum inside me.
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything about this. Again, this could be true for some people. It just never occurred to me as a "luxury".

_Roxcii_
Granted it costs but if they have that money then what difference does it make?


It's the same as I stated earlier. The couple would be more careful. (At least, I hope.)

So, to put it simply, I think that abortions are okay. They're not bad, they're not good. Just...okay.

I'm sorry if I offended anybody in this post, or if I sound irritated or something. I'm not irritated. Just speaking my mind, because I need more practice at that. ;D

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Symphonic Fairytale

PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:47 pm


I pretty much agree with the original post, on all of the points. Still, I feel that if someone is raped and end up becoming pregnant, they should place the child up for an adoption. My girlfriend and I had a discussion on this the other day, and she mentioned how the child might not being adopted at all. That is a possibility, but I still believe the child would be better off being able to live instead of dying because of such a heinous crime that occurred.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:53 pm


I start to cry when you walk out the door
you go bye bye bye
I go "why why why"
this post is not going to be as long as the others but ok.

I believe that abortion is completely up to the mother to decide, seeing as how they have to birth the child. Now there are those people who say 'but it was the mother's choice to have sex!' It was Eve's choice to take the forbidden fruit and god learned to forgive mankind as a whole. God can forgive a mother for killing her child, seeing as he can forgive our race for betraying him. He loves us and if we are devout we can be forgiven.
Wars are sometimes necessary and people die in them, and are forgiven. Wars are fought for no reason and are forgiven, even though countless thousands are killed. One death in the form of a child can be just as easily forgiven in the eyes of god, and that is who we should consult when we decide to act. God watches us and he sees what we do to betray him, and he offers us all a chance for forgiveness.
in the end all of life is about choices.
I'm so lonely and only waiting for you
to come back and tell me "I love you"

Synthetic Unlimited


Moon Serenade

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:10 pm


I'm quite half for it, half not.


Originally, I was all for it, because there are some people who are terrible mothers, and if an unborn baby has no clue what a life is, are you really taking it away? If I lived my life not knowing that TV existed, and then all of a sudden everyone decided to destroy the TV, would I be losing anything, no?

Then I thought, yeah, it's not fair to kill what could potentially be a good life. But will it? Well, who knows, it could grow up to be a person who doesn't work and spends their life collecting welfare or trying to hurt themselves to get disability.

Either way, I decided it was sorta wrong to do that... I guess.

Anyways, I don't know HOW my mind changed, but whatever, it did. I now think that after reading about a certain religion who did actually not completely shut out the option of "abortion" (Seventh Day Adventist) I realized their circumstances were VERY understandable.

Reason 1) If the baby is a product of rape
Reason 2) If the baby is a product of incest. (I dunno... -Shrug- xD)
Reason 3) If the baby will for sure be born with problems with it's overall health. (Mental problems, diseases, underdeveloped anything.)
Last reason) If keeping the baby will physically harm the mother.


Don't those seem like some good circumstances? Otherwise, why kill the baby instead of put it up for adoption? Some people are on a SUPER long waiting list just to get a baby, it can take many years, so why not make a family that can't have a child happy?
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