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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:39 am
MLK, it's not Milk without the i. It hit me hard when I was listening to the radio and they spoke of MLKjr day as "a day off from work", as though that was all it is.
For those of you outside the states, Monday is our day in the US to reflect upon Martin Luther King Junior, and so many do not have classes/work.
I guess it has me wondering how we've missed the point of the day. The 60s were not all that long ago. It is mind boggling to think about legal segregation within our own -century- (also, ladies in the US, we've had the vote for less than 100 years). What is even sadder to me is that we're still not really there.
I cannot begin to fathom how indebted we are to those brave individuals who opened the eyes of a nation and put into action protests that shaped our country. So I wanted to make a thread for people to discuss a few points in honor of the holiday and all of the civil rights pioneers:
-If you are a member of the guild who was alive during the 50s-70s please share some of your memories, experiences, etc.
-Who are some of your personal heroes?
-How can we strive for better racial relations today?
-Rights, do you think all groups are getting their rights in this country (or other countries if you're not from the US)?
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:43 am
*claps* Very good! VERY good!
Well, I'm glad you brought this up and to be quite honest one of my personal heroes (role-models/mentor whatever the right word is) IS Doctor Martin Luther King, Junior. blaugh I admire him for standing up for the African Americans who were mistreated very badly (I mean they're still looked down upon by some and not really treated as equals where I am anyway). Some of my other personal heroes are Matma Gaundi for his peaceful way of life and dealing with situations in a non-violent manner; I also admire Jesus for probably the most obvious of reasons, but if you don't know I'll explain in a post later.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:13 pm
Good thread!
While there's no debating that we've certainly come a long way in the past 40 or so years I honestly think we still have a long way to go as a society in general. It seems things tend to get better (if only slightly) with every generation, but there are always those types that have to be better than the other guy because of the color of the other guy's skin or something like that.
It also seems like people need to associate behavior to certain races based solely on stereotypes perpetuated by the media and that just makes me sad.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:50 pm
I hate to say this, but personally, I believe that individual equality is only an ideal. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against striving for the betterment of one's specific group, whether it be gender, race, orientation, religion, or whatever the case may be. However, from a humanistic standpoint, we value being better than anyone else individually rather than being equal as a whole group. What I think came the most out of the civil rights movements, as well as other movements that have occurred specifically throughout US history, wasn't individual equality, but equality of opportunity. The creation of a level playing field for which individuals have the ability to start and can use their skills to ascend higher than others, regardless of race, gender, orientation, or religion. Thanks to the civil rights movement that my parents and relatives actively participated in, I now stand in a world where I can be whatever I want, wherever I want, whenever I want. But the one thing that I don't want to be is equal. I don't want to be just as good as anyone else, and I don't want anyone to think that they are better than me. I want to be better than everyone, regardless of status, and I work hard to make it so. Granted, this is a tad egocentric of a view to hold, but by my actions, I prove to those that doubt that I am better, but without that level playing field, that "equality of opportunity," I wouldn't have a field to step on.
Didn't mean to rant. Sorry if I did.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:22 pm
Hank, you make some valid points. Have you ever read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut?
I agree with Headhunter on the grounds that we have a looonggg way to go. I was at a hibachi dinner with my boyfriend (celebrating 5 months, woot, he treated me!) and the creeps at our table were making comments about Koreans and Godzilla. stare They then proceeded to clump the Japanese and Koreans together- gonk
You see a lot of things here and there that blow your mind. All too often I hear people refer to biracial people as "not black enough" or "not white enough". I didn't realize there was a specific amount you had to be to qualify as part of a racial or ethnic group. Does this mean I'm not "Ukrainian Enough" since I'm only a quarter? I was really disappointed when I heard the villains in the next Indiana Jones movie were going to be Soviet Russians. They weren't evil people, they were just politically and culturally different.
And not to bash the show if you like watching it, but tv shows like 24 aren't doing much to dissolve ethnic stereotypes. "Muslim" characters, aside from frequently being portrayed as terrorists, are often played by Indian-Americans (example: Kal Penn). It may seem minor, but when your poor Hindu friend who's parents immigrated from India continually gets inspected at an airport, it's more than disheartening. I am concerned about the Muslim population with all the witch hunts.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:37 pm
Long rant warning!
I think that while overt racism (where you speak and act upon racism outwardly and consciously) has gone down largely in the U.S. in the past 50 years, the structural racism resulting from the overt racism years ago is still very present. Particularly in housing and access to resources in many areas, many people of color are still do not have nearly equal resources as those of the majority dominant ideology.
Schooling is another issue, as inner city and rural schools tend to have significantly less funding because property taxes are lower because houses in these areas have been devalued because of perceived danger and crime. The lack of quality education for these students just perpetuates the cycle and makes it harder for children from these areas to access higher education. On the other hand, children who live in the suburbs benefit significantly from more educational funding from property taxes.
If there was one thing that I would say we need to seriously look at in order to try to start fighting this structural racism, it would be to help increase funding for over crowded inner city schools and make sure we get more, better teachers to help educate these students.
Another thing that is really difficult is the overwhelming stereotype of the "model minority" Asians...people don't seem to be able to recognize that there is an incredible amount of diversity in the group of people we classify as of "Asian" descent. For example, people who are refugees from war-torn Cambodia have significantly less resources and educational background than say, voluntary immigrants from Japan.
I also agree with Antonia: the vilification of anyone from the Middle East has gone wayyy too far, and TV is _not_ helping. I feel like history is repeating itself, and while it hasn't gone to the same extent, people of Middle Eastern descent are enduring a very similar treatment as anyone people thought looked "Japanese" during WWII (including Chinese). It's so hard to watch, and it makes me glad I don't have T.V. But even when I go on cnn.com to check the news, it's all either trashy reality TV like news or news vilifying the Middle East. *sighs*
I also feel that people who have a voice that is more likely to be heard in society because they're of the dominant "race" need to speak up and stick up for those whose voices are being suppressed. As that one saying goes, with more power comes more responsibility. Even though I grew up in a low-income household, I still cannot even imagine what it is like to live in complete destitution in the inner city. It makes me sad. crying
All of that is one of my main reasons I would consider being a teacher, though I still don't know what I'm doing right now. Teaching is hard. redface
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:32 pm
Excellent points Kekadu. I've been pretty miffed with the "No Child Left Behind Act". I feel the emphasis on standardized testing is missing the point. There is also debate whether Standardized tests are biased towards white-middle class kids. I agree with that, because people developing these tests are often unaware of certain terms they use that are far from universal.
The vilification of groups particularly bothers me. When the cold war happened many persons of Russian and Slavic descent had to assimilate to survive. A lot of culture was lost. I just pray this doesn't happen to more groups.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:29 pm
AntoniaMerEnfant Excellent points Kekadu. I've been pretty miffed with the "No Child Left Behind Act". I feel the emphasis on standardized testing is missing the point. There is also debate whether Standardized tests are biased towards white-middle class kids. I agree with that, because people developing these tests are often unaware of certain terms they use that are far from universal. The vilification of groups particularly bothers me. When the cold war happened many persons of Russian and Slavic descent had to assimilate to survive. A lot of culture was lost. I just pray this doesn't happen to more groups. Oh man, and plus N.C.L.B. also punishes schools for doing poorly on tests rather than finding them help or giving assistance if they're doing poorly. It frustrates me so much.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:54 pm
It's really a vicious cycle. I'm also worried about vouchers for private schools. Private schools are not always as strictly held to the standards of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act), religious neutrality, or other laws protecting youngsters from discrimination in the classroom. Now there are plenty of fine private schools that uphold these standards, but many private schools have a religious affiliation.
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