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PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:09 pm


Feministing has a post up today about an article in The Nation about how the "Post-Abortion-Syndrome" crowd of anti-choicers are trying to extend the syndrome further than women who regret abortion.

Feministing: Antichoicers continue to invent side-effects of abortion
The Nation: Pity The Man by Sarah Blustain

Basically, it's about the use of men who claim to suffer from their (former) partners' abortions in the anti-choice movment. It also talks a little bit about the idea of a right for men to not be forced to pay child support. But apparently, the search for "victims" is going even beyond the men:

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Beyond men, PAS is becoming a family affair. There's some talk of PAS for siblings, otherwise known as Post-Abortion Survivor Syndrome, which is said to mimic guilt and fear suffered by Holocaust survivors. A combination of these emotions, writes Philip Ney, a prominent antiabortion researcher, "may result in angry, narcissistic, destructive young people. There are millions of abortion survivors who are all too ready to destroy or be destroyed." Ney and others are also working on PAS for grandparents who, "having aborted some of their children or having urged their children to abort...[will] have a deep fear of retaliation."


The highlight of the article, for those who'd rather not read it, is the conclusion:

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Suddenly, using nothing but anecdote framed in scientific forms, a single abortion has not one victim, or even two, but three or four or five. And beyond that, millions of abortions have millions of victims: one in four women, and by extension one in four men, and one in four parents, and countless children, until society itself is a victim, filled with all sorts of personal and interpersonal tragedies of divorce, drug use and suicide from which we--all Americans--need protection.

And that becomes a justification for many things: for banning abortion; for spousal notification laws, currently deemed unconstitutional (though the new Supreme Court, in a new political climate, could change that); for compelling women to hear fabricated dangers in the name of "informed consent"; for coercing women into carrying children they do not wish to bear; even for murder--the very kind of violent strategy that had seemed to be replaced by the empathetic stance of PAS.

In a surreal moment in San Francisco in November, Vincent Rue interwove his compassionate PowerPoint presentation on the suffering of the hollow men with a strange selection of text that flashed brightly on a black screen. It read: "'He was upset because it was his child and he was not consulted. It just broke him. When he found out about it, it just flipped him out.' --Emaline Kopp, Stepmother of James Kopp who killed NY abortion provider Dr. Slepian."

Now we understand. Pity the man.


Blustain states that these men truly are suffering and deserve support. I agree. I think it's cold-hearted and ridiculous to shrug off their pain. However, their pain and regret does not justify giving men the right to control a woman's reproductive choices, and it's obvious that the anti-abortion movment is using these people as tools. While I don't want to dismiss the suffering of men and women who regret abortion, I also can't help but feel that some of these people are blaming abortion because they don't want to deal with the guilt of other poor decisions that they made. That idea can be supported and explained with an older article: The Christian Right's Fear of Pleasure is Our Biggest Threat to Choice.

Also, as expected, the "counseling" the men receive is full of blatant uber-conservative feminist bashing.

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As with nearly everything in the antichoice world, it all comes back to traditional gender roles -- how feminism wrecked America, and how conservative Christianity is the only way to "redemption." As the antichoicers see it,

...if women's pain from abortion has been ignored, men's has been ignored all the more because men have been marginalized in our feminist, feminized society. Here the story gets entwined with traditional, and essentialized, ways of seeing men. Because a man's instinct is to protect and provide for his offspring, his very masculinity is challenged when his child, born or unborn, is killed.

And:

...That's because in addition to suffering from the effects of abortion, postabortive men are also suffering from the effects of feminism. The clues to this culture-war agenda are hidden throughout the men's PAS materials. The San Francisco conference was speckled with references to being "politically incorrect" with a sort of glee at confronting the culture head-on; it was filled with oblique references to what the women's movement has done to men's emotional lives--a grown-up version of Christina Hoff Sommers's The War Against Boys. Did you know, for instance, that the form of women's healing is a "bowl," while the form of men's healing is a "spear"? (Subtle, this.)

Sarah makes a strong case that this isn't just a crackpot wing of the antichoice movement that we can ignore. We've seen the "women need to be protected from their own choices" rhetoric pop up all over -- from the South Dakota ban to Gonzales v. Carhart to Missouri's biased abortion task force. She warns that, as antichoicers collect men's stories, men's PAS threatens to do the same.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:05 pm


Maybe by this logic, we should ban pregnancy! Couples loose their sex life after they have kids, children that are already born get jealous because their new brother/sister is getting all the attention, and don't forget about the depression that sets in after the woman gives birth (Cutely nicknamed the baby blues in order to make it seem like it's trivial).

I hate it how they are trying to get this fictional syndrome recognized, and how they are using feminists as a scapegoat for everything under the sun.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:29 pm


Men and women get depressed during marriage, pregnancy (as said by ottery), break ups, divorce, old age, and many other things. If you make something illegal just because people get upset from it, then we wouldn't be able to do so much as breathe.

I wish I could falcon punch the words "IAMNOTSORRY.NET" into anti-choicer's foreheads.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:36 pm


From what I can see... no actual study was cited that backed up the claims that 1. PAS exists, 2. it exists in men, and 3. it is legitimately comparable to the sort of traumatic stress syndromes suffered by holocaust survivors.



If it exists and people do suffer, they should be treated; but it is not a reason to ban abortion. Because for every woman (and by extension, man) who regrets an abortion, there is a woman who is elated to have her life back (and by extension a man who is greatful to not be stuck with child support for an unwanted child).



Remember - if a man gets to tell me I cannot have an abortion, there has to be a legitimate reason posed as to why he cannot requires me to have an abortion (and no such reason exists). If a man gets control over my uterus, he (shockingly) gets control of my uterus.

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Trite~Elegy

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:10 pm


I am claiming emotional and mental injuries due to the tactics of anti-abortion protesters. They are out there and just knowing that makes me feel a sharp pain in my head and the sudden urge to vomit. They are affecting my life for the worse.
How does 6.2 billion in damages sound?

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