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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:17 am
Aidan Odinson's Top Ten Popular Ways to Ruin your Spiritual Life (from the podcast "The Secrets in Plain Sight"
10) Just recite rote. Don't bother to learn, understand or feel what you are saying. It's written there in that Book, and that's all you need.
9) Think you know enough. You completed the course of study to get where you want to be; there's nothing more than the third degree, there's nothing beyond so-and-so's books, you've made it! You're there! There's nothing more!
8 ) Emphasize the negative. Spend plenty of time being down, celebrating how horrible you are, and punishing yourself.
7) Make it a duty. Forget wanting to do it, you have to do it. You have to observe this, do that, and this.
6) Don't explore. You've got a teacher or mentor; don't bother getting curious beyond them. Why would you want to do that? Stay in your nice little box and be lead around on a leash.
5) Emphasize pleasing or displeasing someone else. You've just got to top that other guy because if s/he got second degree you've got to get third degree before s/he does. And you've got to follow this path to displease your parents.
4) Take others too seriously. Parrot what someone else said; don't do the digging for yourself! And did you know what so-and-so said about somebody? Gossip and listen to all the gossip talk.
3) Take yourself too seriously. First, you have to do everything perfectly ever time; anything else isn't satisfying. Or, instead of insisting on perfection, insinst on acting that you are. Kinda goes along with thinking that you know enough.
2) Don't ask questions or disturb others. After all, you might learn something; never ask "why do you do it that way?" Don't disturb someone with questions like that. It isn't worth rocking the boat. Accept it blindly.
1) Let someone else think for you. Let someone else tell you want to do and think; who needs to think for yourself? That woman has an opinion on everything, so just let her tell you what to think. The Gods can't do that, you can't claim that, and that's the end of it. Because so-and-so said so.
arrow What do you think of Aidan's list? On what points do you agree? On what points do you disagree? arrow Are there any items you think belong on this list more in terms of behavior and attitudes that make your spiritual life crash and burn?
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:25 pm
Sorry, I don't really understand what it's saying...
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:27 am
So you've never heard a priest or religious leader recite something from a book in such a monotone voice it puts everyone to sleep?
You've never heard religious practitioners speaking of doomsday all the time and forgetting to look at what's beautiful in life?
You've never had a friend who got sick of a religion because they *had* to go to a particular service every week and they didn't see the meaning in it?
You never met someone who accepted everything on blind faith and thus had a rather shallow understanding of their religion?
You've never seen gossip taken too seriously in a religious context?
Those are the sorts of things that are being spoken of here.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:51 pm
Oh man, I'm wondering if this list was posted in the faculty lounge of my Catholic elementary school. I swear, the people there followed this list more closely than they followed the Bible (mostly because the Bible includes that we should love one another and [sarcasm] who should do that??[/sarcasm])
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:17 am
kleokriesel Oh man, I'm wondering if this list was posted in the faculty lounge of my Catholic elementary school. I swear, the people there followed this list more closely than they followed the Bible (mostly because the Bible includes that we should love one another and [sarcasm] who should do that??[/sarcasm]) Nope. The source is the first line of the post; it's from a podcast. It's slanted more towards Neopagans, but it is also just a broad-based spirituality podcast from someone with a gnostic background. But yes, organized religion has lately fallen into more of these pits. But plenty of Neopagans have too.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:48 pm
Personally, I think there should be an 11th point, Browbeating, but then it would not be a Top 10 list, now would it?
Otherwise, seems about right...
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:10 pm
Liberi Glacialis Personally, I think there should be an 11th point, Browbeating, but then it would not be a Top 10 list, now would it? Otherwise, seems about right... I think a lot of people have their faith affirmed by yelling at people for having a different point of view until either 1) the person who is "wrong" agrees with their point so that they shut up or 2) the "wrong" person stops arguing. They feel like they won which validates their argument, in their minds anyway.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:04 pm
I agree very strongly with the list. I don't think I'd remove any, but if I were the one writing it, I'd have added "Religion for profit." One of my biggest annoyances about many religions is that they charge their followers for the teachings, or for advancement in grade/rank/degree/whatnot. I understand the need for alms to keep the church going, and I can agree with charging the cost of materials when giving out lesson material or supplies for a ritual, but when it gets to the point that your advancement depends on the amount of money you can give and not the spiritual knowledge you've attained, there's a problem.
However, from a view of tolerance, my rule and several of the others on the list directly conflict with the way some certain religions work. There are religions that dogmatically charge money for advancement and do not allow their students to explore beyond when their mentors tell them. Scientology comes to mind as an example of both. Many doomsday cults emphasize the negative parts of humanity and point to those as signs of the coming apocalypse. (Ex: Fred Phelps's Westboro Baptist Church) And I can think of lots of churches that people have been run out of simply by openly questioning even just one of the teachings. (This seems rampant in the Bible Belt.)
But the biggest one, and it's usually not dogmatic, is letting someone else think for you. For centuries, (and indeed, long before Christianity ever rose,) priests have been using blind faith to herd and control their followers. At certain times, it seems that blind faith had become so rampant that is was only a choice between that or death, as in the Dark Ages, but in modern times many priests themselves are coming to understand the value of spiritual growth through self-realization. You know you have a good priest if she encourages you to ask questions.
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A Murder of Angels Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:03 am
Hmm... I didn't think of religion for profit. That's an excellent one to add. I wonder which is worse though.... religion for profit or a religion that won't support it's clergy as a resource for the community through money? Unfortunately we're still largely a slave to money in this culture and there are few ways around that. It is pretty bad when it is implied you have to 'buy' something to reach the afterlife or something. Ack!
I think that part of his point may to have been to have some things on this list in direct conflict with how certain religions work because they're things that take the personal aspect out of your religion (that personal aspect is usually called spirituality, hence the list his how to ruin your spiritual life). One of the problems some mainstream religions have been facing lately is precisely that - they don't put enough spirituality into the religion. I wonder though, what a 'top ten ways to ruin a religion' list would be. How would it be different?
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:31 am
I hate to say it, but religion for profit is certainly a big thing. Televangelists, people making books upon books and trinkets on faith *just* to sell them and make profit, and just how many 'versions' of the bible do they plan on making? I dare say it, but look at the pope. Living in a virtual palace to shame the Taj Mahal when he's supposed to emulate Christ, whom last I remember, was born in a place where most animals take a dump, raised a carpenter, never had a house of his own, was always on the go, always helping those in need and never really kept earthly possessions, living off of only what was needed to survive. Wealth has corrupted alot of people, and using faith for the sole purpose of making money is sort of insulting to said deity(ies). While I understand and know some people are scraping to get by and there are those who make books and trinkets not only for money to also to help and inspire others (and may those people be blessed!), those who exploit religion *ONLY* for personal profit, gain and fame need to be slapped untill the skin of thier cheeks fall off.
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