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 Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:35 pm
Let us unde take this project.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:38 pm
Chains4w sachiko_sohma Chains4w sachiko_sohma Tiger of the Fire sachiko_sohma I don't bother to debate anymore but that was interesting ( I didn't read the whole thing though, only a few posts). By the way, with that whole murder arguement, wouldn't the doctor be charged of murder and not the women since they're the ones preforming the abortion? Some of their logic makes no sense, like the whole "abortion prevents crime" thing. Yeah it will only prevent crime if almost everyone was aborted and the population goes down drastically. Even then it dosnt prevent crime. If a population as a whole decreases, you cant compare the crime rates of the population now to the population then. Less people as a whole does not mean less crime. That's true. Even if the population went down, there will always be crime in the world.
Fin.I usually don't argue theory. I'm just stating that some logic that is used there don't make much sense.
Agreed, for sure. But trying to point that out is exactly what they want you to do. It allows them to pursue a Red Herring and avoid getting their a** kicked.I argue theory for the sake of my own entertainment. I'd get bored debating like you do...thats part of my problem though.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:59 pm
I think we've got an idea, here.
And I'm totally in, whenever it can happen. heart
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:07 pm
Chains4w divineseraph Chains4w kp is dcvi I must thank you for your proud display of pro-life...ery. 3nodding It was interesting to read a debate that was by someone new and someone intelligent, for once. It actually exposed a lot of the stupidity that I have become completely numb too. I loved this one: "But Unami does and promotes the arbitrary designation of life beginning, at conception was it?" Because a beginning of the second trimester is any less arbitrary. rolleyes There were, naturally, some other gems in there.
Yeah, that little tid bit was during the whole Ad Hom attack. Pages 6-9 were where the real discussion took place, and I made serious inroads in convincing a Pro-Choicer. I also shut two of them up for days. But that damned 5 on 1 at the end drove me away. And all the ******** Ad Hominem...
But yes KP, they are getting lazy. Damned lazy. I was wondering if some of you regs might be interested in putting up a new "Point, Counterpoint" thread with me. I answered every last one of their arguments in my thread, from crime rates to the Toe-Nail Strawman, and I think it would be useful for some of our Newbies if they had a reference sheet of their own to refer to.
After all, the Pro-Choicers pre-program their newbies, I think we should do the same. I would love to unleash 4Chan Hell on "The Abortion Debate," but we need to make sure everyone knows how to argue first.Yeah, most of us ignore that place, it's nothing more than mudslinging. Occasionally they will accuse you of a logical fallacy or bad source, and proceed to use 1968 medical textbooks and planned parenthood. Hurray for non-bias and up to date materials!
It gives them the impression that they have won. They clearly (as my a** kickery shows) have not. Most of their arguments are either irrelevant or weak, and it's all 90% of them know. Challenge their logic and show the flaw in their arguments... and they have nothing left. Nothing.
That's why we need to put together a guide detailing every last one of their arguments and how to counter it. I propose we chop down my thread, lurk the Abortion Debate for a while, and then put together a comprehensive guide. Then we download it into the brains of every one of our Newbies.
Finally, we attack the thread en force, to prevent being overwhelmed. We kick the s**t out of them and their scripted talking points, and then retreat as one. Then we come back at another time. Always in a group, and always armed with the best arguments we can muster.
I guarantee you we could kill that thread. Eventually a Pro-Choice Mod would declare that it's become "a mudsling" and would recycle it. Victory Us.I'm all for it. We just need dedication. Because it'll suck if we have the idea but not the drive. And hell, we need the drive. It takes a big car to knock over pro-choicery a brick wall.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:16 am
I enjoyed that thoroughly; you kicked a** more than anyone I've seen in awhile.
Texas Gypsy put together a really good set of arguments, perhaps they should be posted in here too. Well not here in this thread, but the guild.
And about the 99% of the time it's not a fetus, where did he get that statistic? If 88% are done in the first trimester, and a human is a fetus for a full third of the first trimester, assuming that no abortions are done weeks 8-12, that's still 12% definitely done on fetuses. According to the CDC, in 2002, 40.3% of abortions were done on fetuses.
Not that it really matters since it's down to semantics, but when people do that, it really annoys me. I know there were some really stupid things in there, but that's what annoys me most (probably because no one corrected him).
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:32 pm
lymelady I enjoyed that thoroughly; you kicked a** more than anyone I've seen in awhile. Texas Gypsy put together a really good set of arguments, perhaps they should be posted in here too. Well not here in this thread, but the guild. And about the 99% of the time it's not a fetus, where did he get that statistic? If 88% are done in the first trimester, and a human is a fetus for a full third of the first trimester, assuming that no abortions are done weeks 8-12, that's still 12% definitely done on fetuses. According to the CDC, in 2002, 40.3% of abortions were done on fetuses. Not that it really matters since it's down to semantics, but when people do that, it really annoys me. I know there were some really stupid things in there, but that's what annoys me most (probably because no one corrected him). What? They only think it's a human fetus when they're around third trimester? Sounds like some people need to retake biology,health, and anatomy again. Those are good classes to take.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:50 pm
sachiko_sohma lymelady I enjoyed that thoroughly; you kicked a** more than anyone I've seen in awhile. Texas Gypsy put together a really good set of arguments, perhaps they should be posted in here too. Well not here in this thread, but the guild. And about the 99% of the time it's not a fetus, where did he get that statistic? If 88% are done in the first trimester, and a human is a fetus for a full third of the first trimester, assuming that no abortions are done weeks 8-12, that's still 12% definitely done on fetuses. According to the CDC, in 2002, 40.3% of abortions were done on fetuses. Not that it really matters since it's down to semantics, but when people do that, it really annoys me. I know there were some really stupid things in there, but that's what annoys me most (probably because no one corrected him). What? They only think it's a human fetus when they're around third trimester? Sounds like some people need to retake biology,health, and anatomy again. Those are good classes to take. No, he said not a fetus. Nothing about it being human, he just thinks 99% of abortions aren't done at the fetal stage, for some reason I have yet to comprehend. I'm sorry for the confusion sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:14 am
Very secular pro-life arguments.
Lol, I don't really like using secular arguments but I gotta say, I'm extremely impressed.
Everything backed itself up and it seemed that they were getting frustrated trying to come up with things to argue against your beliefs.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:08 am
FreeArsenal Very secular pro-life arguments. Lol, I don't really like using secular arguments but I gotta say, I'm extremely impressed. Everything backed itself up and it seemed that they were getting frustrated trying to come up with things to argue against your beliefs.
But yes, they'll only dump all over religious arguments, and it won't get us anywhere, anyway.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:12 pm
McPhee Secular is the only way we should fight them. Unless they're Christian. THE BAGHAVAD GITA SAYS ABORTION IS MURDER!!!! scream AS DOES L. RON HUBBARD!!!! scream scream scream whee
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:48 am
McPhee FreeArsenal Very secular pro-life arguments. Lol, I don't really like using secular arguments but I gotta say, I'm extremely impressed. Everything backed itself up and it seemed that they were getting frustrated trying to come up with things to argue against your beliefs.
But yes, they'll only dump all over religious arguments, and it won't get us anywhere, anyway.That's because most pro-choice supporters are secular. Which is why I don't even bother with debating much anymore. If there is no universal code of conduct, and people are left to interpret what is right or wrong on their own, the argument will never end.
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:54 am
FreeArsenal McPhee FreeArsenal Very secular pro-life arguments. Lol, I don't really like using secular arguments but I gotta say, I'm extremely impressed. Everything backed itself up and it seemed that they were getting frustrated trying to come up with things to argue against your beliefs.
But yes, they'll only dump all over religious arguments, and it won't get us anywhere, anyway.That's because most pro-choice supporters are secular. Which is why I don't even bother with debating much anymore. If there is no universal code of conduct, and people are left to interpret what is right or wrong on their own, the argument will never end. Well, according to them, they would argue that, for this reason, pro-choice is best because it lets you decide what YOU want to do. *snigger snigger* While I admit no one is getting coerced to have an abortion, letting it occur is an atrocity in the minds of many citizens of this country. It says something about our morals, about our codes of ethics, about our medical system. And worst of all... some of us are supporting it with our tax dollars. So abortion has nothing to do with us if we don't partake in it, right? Bullshit.
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:47 am
kp is dcvi Well, according to them, they would argue that, for this reason, pro-choice is best because it lets you decide what YOU want to do. So abortion has nothing to do with us if we don't partake in it, right? Against the war in Iraq? Don't join the military! talk2hand
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:57 pm
kp is dcvi FreeArsenal McPhee FreeArsenal Very secular pro-life arguments. Lol, I don't really like using secular arguments but I gotta say, I'm extremely impressed. Everything backed itself up and it seemed that they were getting frustrated trying to come up with things to argue against your beliefs.
But yes, they'll only dump all over religious arguments, and it won't get us anywhere, anyway.That's because most pro-choice supporters are secular. Which is why I don't even bother with debating much anymore. If there is no universal code of conduct, and people are left to interpret what is right or wrong on their own, the argument will never end. Well, according to them, they would argue that, for this reason, pro-choice is best because it lets you decide what YOU want to do. *snigger snigger* While I admit no one is getting coerced to have an abortion, letting it occur is an atrocity in the minds of many citizens of this country. It says something about our morals, about our codes of ethics, about our medical system. And worst of all... some of us are supporting it with our tax dollars. So abortion has nothing to do with us if we don't partake in it, right? Bullshit. The only choice they can make that is different from us is the choice to kill basically. No way i'm supporting it with my tax dollars, if they want one, pay for it with their own money (I rather they use our tax dollars to fix up the streets or the education system). And if we have to pay with our tax dollars, why not use some of it to help women pay for prenatal care and delivery? It's only fair.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:17 am
I know how that is. It happens to me alot to
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