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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:03 am
CynideKitten About two years ago I was a member of a fundamentalist Christian church. I had been there for about 4 years, had a group of very close friends, was a part of the youth leadership team, everything was peachy keen. I was a "perfect" Christian. Then something horrible happened to me. I was blamed, even though there was nothing I could have done about it. The entire church turned it's back on me, including my "friends." The church continued to destroy my life by "warning" ALL the other churches in the area about me. They said I would destroy the lives of their children and everything they held as holy. I finally went to my grandfather's church, but some of the leadership there knew, and treated me...weird. I was very well known. People avoided me in public places (no, I am not being paranoid or exaggerating). I holed myself up and didn't venture out of the house much, sticking with the few friends I had outside of church. I went to therapy, and the therapist told me to invision what happened to me, but this time to imagine that Jesus was there. Well, needless to say, I no longer believe in Jesus. I would have prefered to have been forsaken, thank you. Not knowing where to go, I turned to the pagan community, and they took me in, even though I had no bloody clue what I believed. I still don't. The church kept hounding us, and eventually my mum and I had to move out of the state. No, this isn't a sob story. I just want to know if anyone else has been here. If anyone else has gone through hell because of a fundamentalist religious group. It helps to know you aren't the only one, I guess. That is an awful experience... Mine was kind of similar, but lacked the magnitude... I was born into a very Christian family and when I turned out to be a non-bleiver the family was furious and most of them do not know about it. Well, why should they, really, it is my business. The ones who do, are really upset about it though. I keep hearing about how much they pray for my soul etc. It is awful. I know that such is their creed and all religions are fundamentalistic at heart, but...
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:10 pm
i thank my fathers god that hes an accepting catholic.
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:47 pm
I'm wondering how my grandparents are going to react when they find out I'm goth...I suppose next summer. They Mennonites so it shall be entertaining... xd They never gave me a lot of birthday money, not like my grandma on meh dad's side.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:59 am
I never understood being gothic...I mean, why would you want to look like EVERY OTHER GOTH IN THE WORLD? I get a lot of s**t for being "intolerant", because I don't understand the mindset. You all look so damned depressed all the time. Life is good!
Bah, if you could spare some time to explain it to me, it would be much appreciated.
Note: If any mods want to delete the semi-ran t at the beginning, feel free to. It's 7 o'clock on a Sunday morning. I'm barely alive, let alone concious enough to trust me judgement.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:01 am
chaoticpuppet My last note, here's how you can tell that catholics and other christians are hypocrites, they allow excommunication, which is the banishing of a person from all catholic/christian things. (If you took offense to that, Im sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts). And that makes them hypocrites how? Let me point out that in Catholicism, excommunication due to even the gravest sin can be absolved by the bishops of a place, or even authorized priests. There is no sin the Church is not willing to forgive, but if someone does not properly and honestly repent of something it's considered terribly wrong, should it not have the right to withhold certain parts of itself from that person?
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:02 am
Son of Axeman I never understood being gothic...I mean, why would you want to look like EVERY OTHER GOTH IN THE WORLD? I get a lot of s**t for being "intolerant", because I don't understand the mindset. You all look so damned depressed all the time. Life is good! Bah, if you could spare some time to explain it to me, it would be much appreciated. Note: If any mods want to delete the semi-ran t at the beginning, feel free to. It's 7 o'clock on a Sunday morning. I'm barely alive, let alone concious enough to trust me judgement. I'll answer that with, why do all the other preps want to look like another prep? Why do all the other punks look like other punks? ...etc? You get where I'm going? The reason that goths look like other goths is because most goths like to wear black with some red or a little white, but mostly black. They don't give two shits (pardon my french) about what other goths wear, they care only about what they are wearing. Furthermore, they wear it because they like it, plain and simple; if another goth is wearing something similar so be it, they don't care. Did that help? Edit: There may also be a psychological reason as well. For example, all sane people (and even a good percentage of those who are not sane) feel a need to fit into society. Noone likes to be completely left out, every one wants to fit in. Now, the goths, from a psychological perspective, may feel a need to fit in, however, they do not like the "norm," so they decide to become "abnormal." And there are other people out there who feel a need to be abnormal, and they see the goth subculture, and believe that is what they want to be like, and so, they dress and act like them to fit in with them.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:09 am
Psychedelic Midnight chaoticpuppet My last note, here's how you can tell that catholics and other christians are hypocrites, they allow excommunication, which is the banishing of a person from all catholic/christian things. (If you took offense to that, Im sorry, but sometimes the truth hurts). And that makes them hypocrites how? Let me point out that in Catholicism, excommunication due to even the gravest sin can be absolved by the bishops of a place, or even authorized priests. There is no sin the Church is not willing to forgive, but if someone does not properly and honestly repent of something it's considered terribly wrong, should it not have the right to withhold certain parts of itself from that person? Um, last I heard, if one is excommunicated, they cannot get back into the church no matter what. Now, the church can make no judgement on how sorry I am about a sin that I have commited for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgement is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgement is right. The church is an instituition headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgement of how sorry I am for a certain sin. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely assinine, for the church to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be sorry for a certain act.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:04 pm
Wow, lots of talking going on here. I haven't been on Gaia in forever. Not sure how the Goth topic started, but its ok. For all those that gave me some input, thanks. Gives me that warm, tingly feeling inside. whee ninja
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:18 pm
ZbigniewLipka That is an awful experience... Mine was kind of similar, but lacked the magnitude... I was born into a very Christian family and when I turned out to be a non-bleiver the family was furious and most of them do not know about it. Well, why should they, really, it is my business. The ones who do, are really upset about it though. I keep hearing about how much they pray for my soul etc. It is awful. I know that such is their creed and all religions are fundamentalistic at heart, but... My family is Catholic and my mom just went nuts when she found out I didn't want to be confirmed. But, since she knew that forcing me into a something I didn't want to do would create hell, she decided to let me off the hook in hopes of me converting. So, what does she do to get me to convert? She prays the freaking rosary for my soul and conversion. She has this fixation that if she prays for it, it will be answered if she keeps at it long enough. Then everytime I go home, which is mabey one weekend every month, she brings up morality talks that she knows I disagree with her on (abortion being the main one, which she always ends up taking personally..), or talks about how great church is, or why Jesus is so kool, or Mary, or how great child molesting priests are.
Now she's just pushing my bro away from the church because she's smothering him with Jesus talks. Of course, he's not as...openly stubborn as I am, he's really passive aggressive and doesn't like to create conflict. My mom's convinced that he is going to become a priest, why you ask? Because he doesn't have a girlfriend. -.-;; He's only 15.
Yes, so now that its lent, I'm staying far, far, from home..until Easter. Because I swear if I have to sit through another one of her "OMFG! JESUS R0XX0RZ J00!!!11!!" speaches...
[/angsty bitching]
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:52 am
chaoticpuppet Now, the church can make no judgement on how sorry I am about a sin that I have commited for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgement is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgement is right. The church is an instituition headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgement of how sorry I am for a certain sin. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely assinine, for the church to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be sorry for a certain act. i'm sure in their eyes they'd see this comment like: Now, the [hospital] can make no judgment on how [unhealthy] I am about a [cigarette] that I have [smoked] for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgment is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgment is right. The [hospital] is an institution headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgment of how [unhealthy] I am for a certain [action]. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely asinine, for the [hospital] to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be [unhealthy] for a certain act. the church sees itself as the authority of morality as a hospital would see itself as the authority of health. one can believe or not believe whether a religious institution is the authority on morality or not, just and one can believe that a hospital is not an authority on health. now that i look over what you were saying, i guess that was your point, you don't feel the church is an authority and thus should not judge.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:18 pm
Kalorn chaoticpuppet Now, the church can make no judgement on how sorry I am about a sin that I have commited for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgement is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgement is right. The church is an instituition headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgement of how sorry I am for a certain sin. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely assinine, for the church to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be sorry for a certain act. i'm sure in their eyes they'd see this comment like: Now, the [hospital] can make no judgment on how [unhealthy] I am about a [cigarette] that I have [smoked] for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgment is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgment is right. The [hospital] is an institution headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgment of how [unhealthy] I am for a certain [action]. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely asinine, for the [hospital] to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be [unhealthy] for a certain act. the church sees itself as the authority of morality as a hospital would see itself as the authority of health. one can believe or not believe whether a religious institution is the authority on morality or not, just and one can believe that a hospital is not an authority on health. now that i look over what you were saying, i guess that was your point, you don't feel the church is an authority and thus should not judge. Allow me to state that the major difference between the two statements is that health is not part of private language, whereas guilt is.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:06 am
chaoticpuppet Kalorn chaoticpuppet Now, the church can make no judgement on how sorry I am about a sin that I have commited for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgement is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgement is right. The church is an instituition headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgement of how sorry I am for a certain sin. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely assinine, for the church to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be sorry for a certain act. i'm sure in their eyes they'd see this comment like: Now, the [hospital] can make no judgment on how [unhealthy] I am about a [cigarette] that I have [smoked] for two reasons: 1. They are not me, so they do not know if their judgment is right. 2. They are not god, and again, they do not know if their judgment is right. The [hospital] is an institution headed by man, right. Therefore, they are imperfect, and should not withhold anything based on their judgment of how [unhealthy] I am for a certain [action]. So, in other words, no, it makes absolutely no sense, and is completely asinine, for the [hospital] to be able to withhold something because of how I may or may not be [unhealthy] for a certain act. the church sees itself as the authority of morality as a hospital would see itself as the authority of health. one can believe or not believe whether a religious institution is the authority on morality or not, just and one can believe that a hospital is not an authority on health. now that i look over what you were saying, i guess that was your point, you don't feel the church is an authority and thus should not judge. Allow me to state that the major difference between the two statements is that health is not part of private language, whereas guilt is. *nods* i am not disagreeing with you, i'm just trying to have you understand their point of view. they feel that your soul is as important as your health (if not more) and that they are the leading authority about it.
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