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 Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:22 pm
-xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Link_of_Chaos0911 Rich... am I a jew? No... I am the DREADFUL messianic jew. The jew that actually follows the customs of the bible, and the ORIGINAL texts such as the Torah. I am often confronted with the truths and untruths of the bible in my religion. Let me tell you something about the Christian God. He has unfailing love. No man has ever put so profound words in a book... ever. The Son of Man and the Holy Spirit have driven people to write the Bible based on that, and the Christian God is my god. I want you to actually go through this video and watch it all, no matter if you believe it or not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmurG860RY4That's My King. What does you being Jewish have to do with this? Sorry if I don't get this headon..I'm tired.. It has everything to do with my Jewish idenity... in politics... Because if we leave Israel alone without US support, me and a friend are joing Israel's army... Now listen... if people like me, who either are strong Jews or Christians are called to Israel... God said that was a sign of the end. Now, if hope fails in Israel, and Palestinians and Muslims attack Israel, the Jews and Christians will begin to move to take action and protect that land... and yeah... I'm just saying faith, and the guts to stay in foreign affairs is what America needs in a way.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:50 pm
How did you go from "referring to the trinity... that is completely false and made up by someone," to "watch this movie about our Lord Jesus" who is one with God and yet walked the earth as a separate entity. That's the Trinity. Second of all, Messianic Judaism "generally describes a belief that obedience of the Scriptures is the proper expression of faith (Wikipedia)." You don't know (nor do you want to know) the history of the Bible, so how can you possibly hope to translate it from the viewpoint of the early authors and adapt it to your life accordingly?
"Now, if hope fails in Israel, and Palestinians and Muslims attack Israel, the Jews and Christians will begin to move to take action and protect that land..."
1) I don't think to Christians are interested in that, probably not even the fundamentalists.
2) You plan on killing Muslims and Palestinians over a real estate scuffle. "Why can't we be friends," indeed. Just because you're part of an apocalyptic group doesn't mean the US has to help you in your selfish war. Besides, ask a true Jewish Rabbi and they will tell you that Messianic Jews are considered Christian and have no place in the Holy Land. You're part of a small sect trying to claim it's Jewish and trying to grab a piece of the action. They don't want you to join the fight. Look up the Supreme Court of Israel. The messianic Jews weren't even around until the 1800s and only in Britain.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:59 pm
It's funny how you quote wikipedia... well, wikipedia, even though I like it as a quick source it is not a RELIABLE site... and that was proven.
Let me tell you... I know plenty more Jews then you do, and I have friends who are messianic and go to orthrodox and conservative synagougues. Now, of course if you barge in and say "Hey I believe in Jesus... they don't want you... but they love us when we respect them."
Also, you don't realize something. Faith in Jesus, and in his works and my faith that the end of the world may be coming would DRIVE me to go to Israel.
My friend, who is absolutely christian with no jewish in him just the other day said, that if the US pulled out he would join Israel's army and kill those damn palestinians who take the land.
You say why can't we have peace? Tell that to the millions of missles fired on the land of the Jews every year. Tell that to the people who have lost their grandparents in the holocaust, and to Stalin. Tell that to the Jews who were persecuted in Egypt and Babylon and Persia.
My grandparents either died to Hitler or Stalin. My friends go to Tel Aviv Colleges, that only know the sound of shells and mortars being fired. My christian friends die for the cause in Iraq, Israel, Syria, Afghanastan, and all over the middle east. Why can't we have peace? Because the armies of the Lord have been persecuted day and night for their religion, and when God comes... there will be no peace until we are lifted into heaven... no I will fight for my grandparents, and for my friends, and for my God. And so will the christians and the jews.
The Trinity was not made up by someone... in the bible notice that the Greek word "I" can be singular or plural. In the old testament as well as the new... God uses the PLURAL greek "I." He often talks about the Holy Spirit. When Jesus left the Earth, he said that the Holy Spirit will take his place.
Listen, my calling is to protect the jews and the christians, and I will give every ounce of my body, and soul to do that for my Lord. The only challenge is Sin, and I pray that God helps me come over Sin because he has appointed a great will, and for me a responsibillity to my people.
Whether the Jews want my help or not, I will fight along side them as a brother in God, and along side my christian friends as brothers in Christ. Woe to Babylon... we're taking it up a notch, and the temple of God will be created and flourish once again, as tghe Son of Man comes descending to take place as the ruler and King of Glory.
Holy Holy Holy is the Lor God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is to come will be the words. Every knee will bow, and every tounge will confess that he is soveriegn over all the nations. And the light among heaven will look upon those who have sinned, and yet believed in him and his word... and we will ascend as brothers and sisters in Christ.
He deserves our honor and praise, and I will give my life to let him be exalted fotr what he has done, what he is doing, and what he will do.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:25 pm
Link_of_Chaos0911 It's funny how you quote wikipedia... well, wikipedia, even though I like it as a quick source it is not a RELIABLE site... and that was proven. Let me tell you... I know plenty more Jews then you do, and I have friends who are messianic and go to orthrodox and conservative synagougues. Now, of course if you barge in and say "Hey I believe in Jesus... they don't want you... but they love us when we respect them." Also, you don't realize something. Faith in Jesus, and in his works and my faith that the end of the world may be coming would DRIVE me to go to Israel. My friend, who is absolutely christian with no jewish in him just the other day said, that if the US pulled out he would join Israel's army and kill those damn palestinians who take the land. You say why can't we have peace? Tell that to the millions of missles fired on the land of the Jews every year. Tell that to the people who have lost their grandparents in the holocaust, and to Stalin. Tell that to the Jews who were persecuted in Egypt and Babylon and Persia. My grandparents either died to Hitler or Stalin. My friends go to Tel Aviv Colleges, that only know the sound of shells and mortars being fired. My christian friends die for the cause in Iraq, Israel, Syria, Afghanastan, and all over the middle east. Why can't we have peace? Because the armies of the Lord have been persecuted day and night for their religion, and when God comes... there will be no peace until we are lifted into heaven... no I will fight for my grandparents, and for my friends, and for my God. And so will the christians and the jews. The Trinity was not made up by someone... in the bible notice that the Greek word "I" can be singular or plural. In the old testament as well as the new... God uses the PLURAL greek "I." He often talks about the Holy Spirit. When Jesus left the Earth, he said that the Holy Spirit will take his place. Listen, my calling is to protect the jews and the christians, and I will give every ounce of my body, and soul to do that for my Lord. The only challenge is Sin, and I pray that God helps me come over Sin because he has appointed a great will, and for me a responsibillity to my people. Whether the Jews want my help or not, I will fight along side them as a brother in God, and along side my christian friends as brothers in Christ. Woe to Babylon... we're taking it up a notch, and the temple of God will be created and flourish once again, as tghe Son of Man comes descending to take place as the ruler and King of Glory. Holy Holy Holy is the Lor God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is to come will be the words. Every knee will bow, and every tounge will confess that he is soveriegn over all the nations. And the light among heaven will look upon those who have sinned, and yet believed in him and his word... and we will ascend as brothers and sisters in Christ. He deserves our honor and praise, and I will give my life to let him be exalted fotr what he has done, what he is doing, and what he will do. And what makes you think the U.S will help you out? Last time I checked we are supposed to be a nation that doesn't get involved in the conflicts of the world. And that's how it should be. We're already losing tons of kids who are devoting their lives for a needless sacrifice. Why? So Geroge Jr. can get his revenge and some oil. That's all it is. Basically its the 2nd Gulf War. Nothing more nothing less. We don't need to get involved in other people's problems and should start fixing our own. Personally I'm anti-war. I think that war is stupid and pointless and those who do enlist more than likely have a death sentence especially when the people we are fighting are nothing more than idiots blowing themselves up. At least in Nam, the Vietcong was an actual army not a bunch of radical extremeists blowing themselves up.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:58 pm
-xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Link_of_Chaos0911 It's funny how you quote wikipedia... well, wikipedia, even though I like it as a quick source it is not a RELIABLE site... and that was proven. Let me tell you... I know plenty more Jews then you do, and I have friends who are messianic and go to orthrodox and conservative synagougues. Now, of course if you barge in and say "Hey I believe in Jesus... they don't want you... but they love us when we respect them." Also, you don't realize something. Faith in Jesus, and in his works and my faith that the end of the world may be coming would DRIVE me to go to Israel. My friend, who is absolutely christian with no jewish in him just the other day said, that if the US pulled out he would join Israel's army and kill those damn palestinians who take the land. You say why can't we have peace? Tell that to the millions of missles fired on the land of the Jews every year. Tell that to the people who have lost their grandparents in the holocaust, and to Stalin. Tell that to the Jews who were persecuted in Egypt and Babylon and Persia. My grandparents either died to Hitler or Stalin. My friends go to Tel Aviv Colleges, that only know the sound of shells and mortars being fired. My christian friends die for the cause in Iraq, Israel, Syria, Afghanastan, and all over the middle east. Why can't we have peace? Because the armies of the Lord have been persecuted day and night for their religion, and when God comes... there will be no peace until we are lifted into heaven... no I will fight for my grandparents, and for my friends, and for my God. And so will the christians and the jews. The Trinity was not made up by someone... in the bible notice that the Greek word "I" can be singular or plural. In the old testament as well as the new... God uses the PLURAL greek "I." He often talks about the Holy Spirit. When Jesus left the Earth, he said that the Holy Spirit will take his place. Listen, my calling is to protect the jews and the christians, and I will give every ounce of my body, and soul to do that for my Lord. The only challenge is Sin, and I pray that God helps me come over Sin because he has appointed a great will, and for me a responsibillity to my people. Whether the Jews want my help or not, I will fight along side them as a brother in God, and along side my christian friends as brothers in Christ. Woe to Babylon... we're taking it up a notch, and the temple of God will be created and flourish once again, as tghe Son of Man comes descending to take place as the ruler and King of Glory. Holy Holy Holy is the Lor God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is to come will be the words. Every knee will bow, and every tounge will confess that he is soveriegn over all the nations. And the light among heaven will look upon those who have sinned, and yet believed in him and his word... and we will ascend as brothers and sisters in Christ. He deserves our honor and praise, and I will give my life to let him be exalted fotr what he has done, what he is doing, and what he will do. And what makes you think the U.S will help you out? Last time I checked we are supposed to be a nation that doesn't get involved in the conflicts of the world. And that's how it should be. We're already losing tons of kids who are devoting their lives for a needless sacrifice. Why? So Geroge Jr. can get his revenge and some oil. That's all it is. Basically its the 2nd Gulf War. Nothing more nothing less. We don't need to get involved in other people's problems and should start fixing our own. Personally I'm anti-war. I think that war is stupid and pointless and those who do enlist more than likely have a death sentence especially when the people we are fighting are nothing more than idiots blowing themselves up. At least in Nam, the Vietcong was an actual army not a bunch of radical extremeists blowing themselves up. 4,000 deaths in Iraq in 5-7 years... 30,000 deaths and more on D-Day (June 4, 1944) We are winning and kicking butt in Iraq. If it wasn't for the media being so anti-war, we would be loving our troops and their victory in Iraq. But see, the reason for the war was different. We went to find weapons of mass destruction... we didn't find them... but we had reason to... why? Look at this picture:  That was Suddam's Palace. Rockets with Iraq's Emblem. Probobly one for Iran, one for Israel, and one for the United States. Iraq, a threat or not, was definetly worshipping our defeat, and that madman needed to be stopped. Now listen... being the World's Police force is not always a bad thing... police protect justice... and we dismantled Iraq. Without the funding or the support of our troops, Iran will potentially seize Iraq... and this is Iran's plot. Iran's leader said the second they get a missle that could potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people that they will target it at Israel. Then he said, his 2nd target would be the United States... my point is this... we can't play with fire and even let Iran have a chance... no matter what the United Nations does... it is our right, and duty to save the lives of so many people. And the reason I will fight against people who just blow themselves up... is because my people are dying... why should the United States care? Because we are the remaining MORALITY in the world... and we are the best country in the world. Listen, if you consider all the possibilities... leaving Iraq, or leaving Israel unprotected could kill over 200 million people... almost 50 holocausts combined. That is why, I will fight, politically, and spiritually as long as I live for sonmething like this never to happen. I am a millitary strategist already... I know that the odds are slight, but what is better? 6000 americans lost to save 200 million, or... 3000 americans lost in vain, and 200 million killed after Iran attacks Israel and the US, and we attack Iran and Iraq? Either way, we are going to settle this on the battlefield, and the United States needs to fight Iran and Iraq with all they have... it's not about politics... it's about annihalation... Whether you believe in God or not... Iraq can either be allies or enemies... and whether we stay there decides the future for so many good Americans, Israelittes, and many other countries.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:14 pm
Link_of_Chaos0911 -xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Link_of_Chaos0911 It's funny how you quote wikipedia... well, wikipedia, even though I like it as a quick source it is not a RELIABLE site... and that was proven. Let me tell you... I know plenty more Jews then you do, and I have friends who are messianic and go to orthrodox and conservative synagougues. Now, of course if you barge in and say "Hey I believe in Jesus... they don't want you... but they love us when we respect them." Also, you don't realize something. Faith in Jesus, and in his works and my faith that the end of the world may be coming would DRIVE me to go to Israel. My friend, who is absolutely christian with no jewish in him just the other day said, that if the US pulled out he would join Israel's army and kill those damn palestinians who take the land. You say why can't we have peace? Tell that to the millions of missles fired on the land of the Jews every year. Tell that to the people who have lost their grandparents in the holocaust, and to Stalin. Tell that to the Jews who were persecuted in Egypt and Babylon and Persia. My grandparents either died to Hitler or Stalin. My friends go to Tel Aviv Colleges, that only know the sound of shells and mortars being fired. My christian friends die for the cause in Iraq, Israel, Syria, Afghanastan, and all over the middle east. Why can't we have peace? Because the armies of the Lord have been persecuted day and night for their religion, and when God comes... there will be no peace until we are lifted into heaven... no I will fight for my grandparents, and for my friends, and for my God. And so will the christians and the jews. The Trinity was not made up by someone... in the bible notice that the Greek word "I" can be singular or plural. In the old testament as well as the new... God uses the PLURAL greek "I." He often talks about the Holy Spirit. When Jesus left the Earth, he said that the Holy Spirit will take his place. Listen, my calling is to protect the jews and the christians, and I will give every ounce of my body, and soul to do that for my Lord. The only challenge is Sin, and I pray that God helps me come over Sin because he has appointed a great will, and for me a responsibillity to my people. Whether the Jews want my help or not, I will fight along side them as a brother in God, and along side my christian friends as brothers in Christ. Woe to Babylon... we're taking it up a notch, and the temple of God will be created and flourish once again, as tghe Son of Man comes descending to take place as the ruler and King of Glory. Holy Holy Holy is the Lor God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is to come will be the words. Every knee will bow, and every tounge will confess that he is soveriegn over all the nations. And the light among heaven will look upon those who have sinned, and yet believed in him and his word... and we will ascend as brothers and sisters in Christ. He deserves our honor and praise, and I will give my life to let him be exalted fotr what he has done, what he is doing, and what he will do. And what makes you think the U.S will help you out? Last time I checked we are supposed to be a nation that doesn't get involved in the conflicts of the world. And that's how it should be. We're already losing tons of kids who are devoting their lives for a needless sacrifice. Why? So Geroge Jr. can get his revenge and some oil. That's all it is. Basically its the 2nd Gulf War. Nothing more nothing less. We don't need to get involved in other people's problems and should start fixing our own. Personally I'm anti-war. I think that war is stupid and pointless and those who do enlist more than likely have a death sentence especially when the people we are fighting are nothing more than idiots blowing themselves up. At least in Nam, the Vietcong was an actual army not a bunch of radical extremeists blowing themselves up. 4,000 deaths in Iraq in 5-7 years... 30,000 deaths and more on D-Day (June 4, 1944) We are winning and kicking butt in Iraq. If it wasn't for the media being so anti-war, we would be loving our troops and their victory in Iraq. But see, the reason for the war was different. We went to find weapons of mass destruction... we didn't find them... but we had reason to... why? Look at this picture: That was Suddam's Palace. Rockets with Iraq's Emblem. Probobly one for Iran, one for Israel, and one for the United States. Iraq, a threat or not, was definetly worshipping our defeat, and that madman needed to be stopped. Now listen... being the World's Police force is not always a bad thing... police protect justice... and we dismantled Iraq. Without the funding or the support of our troops, Iran will potentially seize Iraq... and this is Iran's plot. Iran's leader said the second they get a missle that could potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people that they will target it at Israel. Then he said, his 2nd target would be the United States... my point is this... we can't play with fire and even let Iran have a chance... no matter what the United Nations does... it is our right, and duty to save the lives of so many people. And the reason I will fight against people who just blow themselves up... is because my people are dying... why should the United States care? Because we are the remaining MORALITY in the world... and we are the best country in the world. Listen, if you consider all the possibilities... leaving Iraq, or leaving Israel unprotected could kill over 200 million people... almost 50 holocausts combined. That is why, I will fight, politically, and spiritually as long as I live for sonmething like this never to happen. I am a millitary strategist already... I know that the odds are slight, but what is better? 6000 americans lost to save 200 million, or... 3000 americans lost in vain, and 200 million killed after Iran attacks Israel and the US, and we attack Iran and Iraq? Either way, we are going to settle this on the battlefield, and the United States needs to fight Iran and Iraq with all they have... it's not about politics... it's about annihalation... Whether you believe in God or not... Iraq can either be allies or enemies... and whether we stay there decides the future for so many good Americans, Israelittes, and many other countries. *takes a deep breath* Okay now you are seriously making me mad. I've tried to keep things as civil as humanly possible but you are wearing out my paitence. And that is not a good thing. We are not the best nation out there. In contrast I think Japan is the best country. Why? Because they aren't pollution their air quality with massive factories. There people are intelligent and they have very strict gun laws. There is hardly any crime in Tokyo..no in Japan in general. The same goes for the UK. To them we are just a thorn in thier side. We are a shadow of what we once were. It is not our right or duty to stick our nose where it doesn't belong. We need to keep our troops here not fighting some stupid war. People are still getting killed. We need to pull out. We cannot get involved in a civil war. There ARE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! I know its hard to understand but instead of watching Fox News try watching CNN. You might actually learn something other than conservative bias that has no basis in facts. We are not the World's Police Force. Bottom line. If you want someone to go to Isreal and fight your stupid realator war. Ask NATO. They'll be glad to help. Have you noticed the reason why we're hated in other countries? Its because we don't know how to keep our nose out of other people's buisness. This is not the bloody 1800's. We don't need to impose "White Man's Burden" on anyone. We need to keep out of people's political buisness. Imperialism didn't work in the 1800's and its not going to help now. If you still think America is so great. Why don't you do some research and compare our crime rates to the other democratic nations in the world and see who's worse. You might be surprised. Now if you excuse me I'm going to mediatate before I choke someone.. stare
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 pm
I cut out a bunch of your appeals to emotion, hope you don't mind: Link_of_Chaos0911 It's funny how you quote wikipedia... well, wikipedia, even though I like it as a quick source it is not a RELIABLE site... and that was proven. Link_of_Chaos0911 I have friends who are messianic and go to orthodox and conservative synagogues. They are, by definition, misrepresenting themselves then. Link_of_Chaos0911 You say why can't we have peace? Tell that to the people who have lost their grandparents in the holocaust, and to Stalin. There will be no peace until we are lifted into heaven... no I will fight for [enter appeal to emotion here]. First: Justifying your planned blood-bath by past wars isn't sufficient reason for genocide (revenge). Second: You don't get to feign anger now whenever I tell you your Holy Spirit is what's giving you the idea that you should murder people and that you're dangerous. "Last ounce of blood," you sound like a suicide bomber, and I mean that in the most serious way possible. Link_of_Chaos0911 The Trinity was not made up by someone... I was quoting you when I said the Trinity was made up... Link_of_Chaos0911 Whether the Jews want my help or not, I will fight along side them as a brother in God, and along side my Christian friends as brothers in Christ. That's fantastic that you want to kill people in a war that isn't yours where you're considered a gentile. It's really unfortunate though that you believe in the Messiah because you're sure not getting taken up to the skies by the Jewish God after all that trouble. And here's a source that's not wikipedia: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mess_jud4.htm
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:30 pm
Rich... name one good thing about Hitler.
Now one good thing about extremist millitant groups.
Your goal is to end religion... because it obviously makes up so many wars...
Well, let me just say this... let's not kill the extremist muslims. And then let's watch... as the best country partakes in IGNORING 20 million people die. Hey it should be fun! I'll eat popcorn and watch as they die... oh and I'll watch CNN so I can hear that it was the Jew's fault... or the conspiracy theories that George Bush did it. Oh hell yeah!
Rich... Not everything is by definition. If my friends want to take part in Jewish customs that is their right as well as their belief. They are 100% Jewish and 100% Christian.
Also, genocide isn't revenge... it's getting rid of a race of people. DO I want all muslims to die? Of course not... I want to protect my people, and
"I say that in the most serious way possible."
Oh and that link is absolute bull s**t. You can go to Israel as a believer in Yeshua. To be admitted as a jew, in the synagouges of Israel is not completly allowed if you claim to be a believer... but most of those laws were re-appealed for the city of Jerusalem.
By the way, I have had dinner with the leader of Jews For Jesus, David Brickner. I know what the laws are, and crap having to do with Messianic Judaism.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:27 pm
Link_of_Chaos0911 Rich... name one good thing about Hitler. Now one good thing about extremist millitant groups. Your goal is to end religion... because it obviously makes up so many wars... Well, let me just say this... let's not kill the extremist muslims. And then let's watch... as the best country partakes in IGNORING 20 million people die. Hey it should be fun! I'll eat popcorn and watch as they die... oh and I'll watch CNN so I can hear that it was the Jew's fault... or the conspiracy theories that George Bush did it. Oh hell yeah! Rich... Not everything is by definition. If my friends want to take part in Jewish customs that is their right as well as their belief. They are 100% Jewish and 100% Christian. Also, genocide isn't revenge... it's getting rid of a race of people. DO I want all muslims to die? Of course not... I want to protect my people, and "I say that in the most serious way possible." Oh and that link is absolute bull s**t. You can go to Israel as a believer in Yeshua. To be admitted as a jew, in the synagouges of Israel is not completly allowed if you claim to be a believer... but most of those laws were re-appealed for the city of Jerusalem. By the way, I have had dinner with the leader of Jews For Jesus, David Brickner. I know what the laws are, and crap having to do with Messianic Judaism. Hitler: Built up Germany back up to its prime. The same goes for Stalin. They both killed tons of people but they made their countries the global industrial powerhouses that we see today. Genocide nonetheless is bad. Killing is bad. Killing is a sin and I don't think you can squeak into heaven just by saying it was for Him. I wonder, did your parents drop you on your head? If not what caused you to loose your common sense? CNN doesn't blame anything on Jews. And the so called conspiracy theories on Bush or so you call them are right. If you didn't live under or hide under your bed with your precious teddy and bible, you'd know that we're heading into a recession. You'd know that the money that Clinton saved up for us has been depleted and the value of the dollar has gone down. Our economy is failing and this war isn't helping. I wouldn't be the last bit surpirsed if Congress pulled the funbding for it. No money=no war.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:11 pm
Link_of_Chaos0911 Rich... name one good thing about Hitler. Now one good thing about extremist millitant groups. Your goal is to end religion... because it obviously makes up so many wars... Well, let me just say this... let's not kill the extremist muslims. And then let's watch... as the best country partakes in IGNORING 20 million people die. I don't get your Hitler references unless you're trying to say that he was an atheist, which he most certainly was not. Extremist militant groups are fed by dictatorial regimes, poverty, and lack of education. The answer to extremism is not to match it with your own flavor of extremism. The answer is removing the barriers to living a fulfilling life without the rule of evil regimes. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely going to be instances where it'll be either some of them die or some of us die and there's no way around for now. If you're so hot to kill, then by all means, head over there right now. Link_of_Chaos0911 They are 100% Jewish and 100% Christian. That's absolutely untrue and you've been lied to if you're quoting someone. Judaism and Christianity are mutually exclusive and if you can't even understand that then maybe you need to go back to early Sunday school and just play with the blocks in the corner. Link_of_Chaos0911 Also, genocide isn't revenge...it's getting rid of a race of people. Genocide isn't always revenge, just like revenge isn't always genocide. But you, my friend, are ranting about how fascist regimes and extremists are killing your people and you're going to give your life to destroy them. That is genocidal revenge and you are a danger to yourself, not to mention others. Link_of_Chaos0911 By the way, I have had dinner with the leader of Jews For Jesus, David Brickner. I know what the laws are, and crap having to do with Messianic Judaism. Jews for Jesus are in the exact same boat with you, they don't have claim to the Christian OR the Jewish religion. You said it yourself, if you believe in the Messiahs then you're not welcome. Keeping your mouth shut about it and playing the whole "oh well you didn't ASK if I believed in the Messiah" game makes no difference. By the way, I've been to a talk by Dr. Michio Kaku, doesn't mean I know a damn thing about theoretical physics. My question to you is, what is your justification and evidence for believing in the Messiah? Why do you believe and why should anyone else believe?
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:18 pm
Link_of_Chaos0911 Let me tell you, when I was in 8th grade I wanted to be a strategist... I constantly think... Suicide bombers think too, it's the quality of thought and direction of enlightened thought, not the quantity of it. Baboons think, but they don't have to mental faculties to think critically like some of us do. You should look up Cargo Cults, see how they come to the entirely logical conclusion that building replicas of airplane towers will bring them treasure from the gods. They think too, but they're ignorant of the world outside. Link_of_Chaos0911 In all of this creation, someone must have been at the top of it all... I have explored it to all lengths. I have heard all the concepts and the ideas, that could disprove God... You're making the assumption that complexity is a top-down, regulated approach as opposed to complete trillion surprised ne chance. If those were the only choices I might be inclined to agree with you that those chances are impossible. However, that's a "false dichotomy," look it up. The complexity you see today isn't random at all, there's direction and gradual increase in complexities. We can argue the Blind Watchmaker in another thread. Obviously you haven't heard all of the concepts, it appears you haven't even scratched the surface. You seem to know absolutely nothing about where the Bible came from, even claiming that it is meaningless to you. As for logical explanations for God you keep giving personal experience as evidence, which is really an oxymoron. Personal experience proves nothing to anyone but yourself. That is a LOGICAL fallacy. Link_of_Chaos0911 ALL of your topics are HYPOTHESIS AND NOT PROVEN. I think you need to learn what fact is before you preach it. I preach belief. Some of the things I'm telling you are, in fact, from the Catholic Dictionary. If anyone had a link to the early church fathers and authors of the Bible it would be them and they're the ones you need to question as far as "hypothesis" is concerned. Link_of_Chaos0911 What I am told is right and wrong is coming from the Holy Spirit... not a text you can read anywhere on this earth. Then it's not the God of the Bible you follow. Link_of_Chaos0911 What I find interesting is that you condemn me that I have NO LOGIC... because I don't FIND YOUR POINT OF VIEW to be correct or coherent with what the Lord is telling me is right. The reason I say you're illogical for the most part is because you're basing your arguments off assumptions. You're also telling me the Holy Spirit is holding you back from doing what you really want to do, which is persecute all non-believers and send them to Hell (requiring you to murder). It's a short step from "I'm being told by my Holy Spirit to not hurt you" to "my Holy Spirit is telling me to strap a bomb to my chest." Link_of_Chaos0911 Also, the Devil was given free will, and was given power... Again, do some research on the origin of Satan/Devil/Lucifer/serpent/seraphim. You have dogma because you've set rules for yourself and refuse to consider evidence to the contrary. This is where you and I differ. If you could provide significant evidence for the Link of Chaos god I'd happily say "you know what, I was wrong, at least I held no Gods or idols above you." All you've got is personal experience right now which amounts to exactly zero proof for anyone but yourself. Oh, and you were wrong about wikipedia twisted
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:28 pm
Rick Dawkins Link_of_Chaos0911 Rich... name one good thing about Hitler. Now one good thing about extremist millitant groups. Your goal is to end religion... because it obviously makes up so many wars... Well, let me just say this... let's not kill the extremist muslims. And then let's watch... as the best country partakes in IGNORING 20 million people die. I don't get your Hitler references unless you're trying to say that he was an atheist, which he most certainly was not. Extremist militant groups are fed by dictatorial regimes, poverty, and lack of education. The answer to extremism is not to match it with your own flavor of extremism. The answer is removing the barriers to living a fulfilling life without the rule of evil regimes. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely going to be instances where it'll be either some of them die or some of us die and there's no way around for now. If you're so hot to kill, then by all means, head over there right now. Link_of_Chaos0911 They are 100% Jewish and 100% Christian. That's absolutely untrue and you've been lied to if you're quoting someone. Judaism and Christianity are mutually exclusive and if you can't even understand that then maybe you need to go back to early Sunday school and just play with the blocks in the corner. Link_of_Chaos0911 Also, genocide isn't revenge...it's getting rid of a race of people. Genocide isn't always revenge, just like revenge isn't always genocide. But you, my friend, are ranting about how fascist regimes and extremists are killing your people and you're going to give your life to destroy them. That is genocidal revenge and you are a danger to yourself, not to mention others. Link_of_Chaos0911 By the way, I have had dinner with the leader of Jews For Jesus, David Brickner. I know what the laws are, and crap having to do with Messianic Judaism. Jews for Jesus are in the exact same boat with you, they don't have claim to the Christian OR the Jewish religion. You said it yourself, if you believe in the Messiahs then you're not welcome. Keeping your mouth shut about it and playing the whole "oh well you didn't ASK if I believed in the Messiah" game makes no difference. By the way, I've been to a talk by Dr. Michio Kaku, doesn't mean I know a damn thing about theoretical physics. My question to you is, what is your justification and evidence for believing in the Messiah? Why do you believe and why should anyone else believe? This is going to be totally and utterly off-topic but my dad actually likes Dr. Kaku. He has his book Hyperspace and like theoretical physics and probably could explain it in full detail. And Wikipedia can be used for info. They're taking mesaures now to make sure that incorrect info doesn't get posted on the site.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:01 pm
Ok... well obviously we have one person, who's going to get the boot for a few days so I can talk this over with my clan... who I am violating right now, by cussing and crap... so no offense but I'm going to use moderator priveleges for a few days on Mr. Rich Dawkins here. As for Godslayer...
you obviously believe all democratic media such as CNN... you watch Fareinheight 911 too much... and couldn't care less if you were wrong and 20 million people died... because at least there was a nice little econonomy in that country.
What's more important? Economy or 20 million lives? Well... obviously you over stepped that... and saying Bush organized the whole 9-11 is bull s**t and non patriotic to all extents. How bout I call Obama a n****r while you talk and conspire.
I would rather believe National Treasure 2 or Spiderman is real, then deliberatly attack Bush for the killing of 6,000 Americans by a extremist group.
So, let me just say that you are on the same plate as Rich here... you guys can be admitted back, by an appeal of Mike... but other then that, it's a week so we can reorganize a bit and make sure we are doing the right thing here... and make sure that I'm not making the situation worse for our clan.
Also we have some new organization meetings coming up and I don't need two people condemning everything I say... I need some time to start those up... no offense, but when you come back, please go to the Debate Forum...
That is all.
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