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Azmodean

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:37 pm


THE TRUE RAZGRIZ
so taking off the decision makers is a lot better

unless you kill the "idiots" and their replacements are smarter

I think strategic and tactical thinking doesn't only rely on the smart guy behind. To do sound decissions you need reliable information, that's why intelligence and counter intelligence branches are rather important.

If you can do it rather feed bullshit information to them than kill them. Killing one of the "brains" is one kill, making him lead his man into traps you setup will do more harm.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:03 am


Azmodean
THE TRUE RAZGRIZ
so taking off the decision makers is a lot better

unless you kill the "idiots" and their replacements are smarter

I think strategic and tactical thinking doesn't only rely on the smart guy behind. To do sound decissions you need reliable information, that's why intelligence and counter intelligence branches are rather important.

If you can do it rather feed bullshit information to them than kill them. Killing one of the "brains" is one kill, making him lead his man into traps you setup will do more harm.

now that's genius
you actually pointed out a point that I didn't notice
in wars information is everything whoever controls the information flow controls the war

THE TRUE RAZGRIZ


ArchWarrior

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:13 am


But that is why places like NORAD is in place is it not. To feed false info to the enemy while giving to true info to your people.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:34 am


yeah that and for early detection of incomming attacks

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ArchWarrior

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:21 am


What about troop cycling. In long battles you split your army into groups, 3 or 4 works best. And what you do is never have you people work or fight to long. When they get tried they fall back and rest while the next group comes up and fight in their place. This way none of you people are fighting tired which is a liability because they get slower and are pron to making mistakes. And it has the added effect of wearing down you enemy because you are not giving them a chance to rest or think of a good plan.

Having carts, chariots, trucks, or other vehicles that can hold a number of people bring them to and from the line is a must for this. You need to have a number of people who's job it is just to look for people who are hurt or tried to replace them with fresh troops. These people tend to work in part with the medical core and the runners (people who bring supplies and relay info/orders).
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:59 pm


yeah but that strategy is not even possible in our age let alone in medieval times when it was only close combat because the minute that you try to shift your ranks in the midst of battle your enemy will overrun your forces

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ArchWarrior

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:46 am


Well actually it was used in the medieval times if I remember right mostly by the people of the planes and grasslands because the ground tends to flat and stable. I know the Celtic people used that trick all the way up until that last stand off with the Romans. The Celtics lost because they was still not a united people and most of them didn't have or wear armor protect them. Their chariots was great as they had shock absorbers on them, in the from of a free floating floor they stood and sit on.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:35 pm


ArchWarrior
But that is why places like NORAD is in place is it not. To feed false info to the enemy while giving to true info to your people.

I wouldn't bet that the "own" people get the truth served. You will want their support, so in most cases some of these mechanisms are used:

make them hate the enemy and see them as inferior.
It will make it more easy for your soldiers to fight them as some moral questions get out of scope that way.

make the engagements you won look glorious and those you lost just as minor incidents.
You want to inhibit people from questioning your war. So never tell the real costs (be it money or lives), try to keep on the illusion that success is just around the corner.

Use a lot of euphemism. Your people don't torture, they just do serious interogations. When you hit some wrong people that is no error, just call it colateral damage.
Errors will happen, but you don't want anyone to blame the system for it. If s**t happens it will always be some personal failure of someone low in the chain of command, but in no way you want it to look like it was planned or system intrinsic.

There are a lot more of these mechanisms to use. In my oppinion many of those institutions telling you the "truth" are just like the "ministery of truth" (read 1984 by George Orwell for further reference).

Azmodean


THE TRUE RAZGRIZ

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:34 pm


well that tactic warrior described can be done during the time when both armies are not in the middle of the fight but when they are resting

as for Azmodean
these are some clever suggestions and you can see them implemented now if you kept track of the news coverage of the american war in Iraq or Afghanistan
PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:39 pm


THE TRUE RAZGRIZ
.... and you can see them implemented now if you kept track of the news coverage of the american war in Iraq or Afghanistan


This is a work of fiction. All characters, events, and places are of the author’s imagination and not to be confused with fact. Any resemblance to living persons or events is merely coincidence. wink

Never expect the truth from any politician (especially if he has happened to study Macchiavelis 'il pricipe' and Sun Tsu's 'The art of war') and in modern armys I tend to believe almost everyone above the rank of major to be more a politician than a soldier wink .

lol, but seriously stuff like that has happened in almost every conflict.

'Hanibal ante portas' was something the romans already used to scare their kids and grow hate against that Carthagans. Some senator (Cato i think) used to end every speech at that time with the sentence "ceterum censeo carthaginam delendam esse" (roughly translated 'and by the way I think Carthago has to be destroyed'). And I'm pretty sure that was not the first use of those tactics.

Using 'embedded reporters' in the units was a pretty smart move. You can controll their movement (and thereby what they can see) much better and there's also an psychological and emotional component as it's not that easy to keep your objectivity when you're in close contact with those soldiers you write about and rely on to keep your a** safe-

Azmodean


ArchWarrior

PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:26 pm


Assimilation
You try to adopts some of the customs and attitudes of your enemy so it'll be harder to fight. If you can make them or their offspring like you and adopt some of ways they'll be less liking to fight back and may willing join you. In this way you may not even have to fight in a war with them as your enemy slowly becomes a friend.

The Romans grow to the power they had by adopting and assimilating everyone around them. By doing this those who did escape death from the battles and war was often welcomed in the army and well as other parts of Roman life. And do the fact the Romans adopted and assimilated some of their ways and things while replacing others, those who was token over by them always had something of their old life to hold on to making it easier for them to accept living by the Romans rules.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:43 am


ArchWarrior
Or as one of my old combat teachers said, "We train for combat in hopes that we never have use what we learned."


~*[ I love that quote! ]*~
~*[ it's really true ]*~

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