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Okay, I've heard this argument before. Over a hundred times on the narutofan.com forums. What it is is this:

1) Tobi is NOT Obito. Obito is DEAD! He was crushed by a rock.

2) Tobi ( the REAL leader of Akatsuki) is actualy Uchiha Madara, the first Uchiha, weilder of Sharingan, member of Hyuuga clan main branch, and weilder of the most powerful form of Mangekyou (it takes all nine tailed demons to use.) So Raziyll, you didn't miss anything.

3) Just Because Tobi has the same eye remaining as Obito dosn't mean anything. Tobi could have lost his eye in any way.

4) just because Tobi mixed around almost spells Obito dosn't mean anything. Tobi is japanesse for a bird of prey. Obito means somthing else that i can't quite remember at the momnent, but it dosn't matter.

I'm sorry rikunarutorocks, but Obito is dead, and either Tobis going back to being the immortal Madara, or Pains going to blow up the contienant using the demons.

Tobi = Obito... The sharingan in the same eye and the similarity in how they act, also I think Uchiha Madara is a Rank given to the most powerful Uchiha not a person anymore. As for Tobi being Akatsuki leader that would have to be a no for me because I'm pretty sure Pain is with all that chapters learning about him. But Obito was almost crushed...not crushed some random person could have easily saved him.

okay. Back to Uchiha Madara 101.

Uchiha Madara has a split personality. I'm not sure exactly HOW it works out, but Tobi is the split personality of Madara.

Obito Was cruched. he's on the memorial stone. Now, you going to say it could be faked or somthing. of corse it could. But with an experienced medical ninja trained by the forth Hokage himself on the squad... well I'm pretty shure that Obitos dead.

And About Pain. he listens to tobi, who is Madara. In one manga (I have a horrible memory for for manga and episode numbers) Pain and Conan are reporting to Tobi, and Pain asks Tobi which is more important to their goal. Geting sasuke, whos eyes have the potential to be more powerful then Itachis; or geting Kyuubi (who Madara controls when its not sealed) and recharging Tobis own eyes.

since we're talking Madara 101, madara also faught the First Hokage, and made the vally of the end were Sasuke and Naruto fought. my theroy about that is that First had kyuubi, seeing how it was a tie (Sasuke vs. Naruto is perfect copy of the battle)

Maybe Tobi was working as Jiraiya's informate into the akatsuki.... just a random thought for how Jiraiya seems to know alot about the Akatsuki. You know, he may have been crushed by a rock, but somebody may have came along to save him....