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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:45 pm
I am rather stuck at the moment.
You see, I feel that a reconstructionist faith is the right path for me. The trouble is, I am very ready to devote myself to three. Yes, three. Kemetic Reconstructionism, Greek Reconstructionism, and Aztec Reconstructionism. I have done much research on these three and their gods, cultures, ethics, religion structure ...and all three appeal to me equally. It would be heartbreaking to have to choose only one. However, I refuse to squash these three beautiful belief systems into an Eclectic path. I do not look down upon Eclecticism at all, it's just not for me. As I said, to practice these religions as they once were long ago seems right to me. I just ...can't choose one over the other. They are all valid in my eyes, and all three pantheons deserve devotion. So, what to do? I have considered practicing them all separatly. Set up perhaps so that for one month I devote myself to the practice of Hellenism. Then the next month, Aztec Recon., and then the next, Kemetism. The month separation is so that I can stay away from eclectic mish-mashing that might occur if I did a daily or weekly switch.
However ... Would that be a just thing to do? I'm afraid I don't know. Doing such a thing would make me spiritually fulfilled I think ...but I don't want to anger the gods with the switches. I would explain my case to them and tell them that for the two months they recieve no worship, I would make up for it ten-fold in their dedicated months. Some people worship only one god from an entire pantheon. And that is just. Some worship different gods also depending on the month, but from the same pantheon, and this is just. So is what I would like to do ...the right thing?
Opinions would be a big help =) Whether you tell me to "bugger off", or to choose one pantheon, or go with what I feel, or even give me a new suggestion ...I'd be extremely grateful.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:10 pm
Even though I do not beleive in a God, or I kinda do... but it's wierd. Anyways, even though I don't beleive in a God, I think that they would understand your dilemma. Maybe eventually, after you try all three, you will decide on one? well, I hope this was helpful... Even though, if the Gods are loving, then they will accept you for who you are and you faith to them. So... good luck biggrin 3nodding
P.S.- I chose other on the poll. 1 reason because I know nothing of those religions, and secondly because I think after you try all 3, you will decide on one, or continue to worship them all.
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A Murder of Angels Captain
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:15 pm
I've got a couple of ideas you may find helpful.
First of all, do you have a patron deity? If you do, it would be immensely helpful to you. Spend a while... a couple weeks or so... connecting to your deity by meditation, prayer, offerings, etc. You'll soon find yourself to be able to carry on conversations with your god as though they were in the room talking to you. If you don't have a patron deity, try connecting to a god that you already feel a close affinity to, and that you feel is friendly toward you as well. Even if that deity isn't your patron, the advice they can offer you is quite invaluable.
A couple suggestions: Ma'at - The Egyptian goddess of truth, balance and initiation. As an initiation goddess, she can help set you toward the right path. Themis - The Greek Goddess of justice, truth. Also an initiation goddess like Ma'at.
Also, I can't say much about Aztec faith, but were you aware that after the founding of Alexandria, a Greek city in Egypt, a kind of blend of cultures emerged there? Alexandria is the place of origin of figures like the Greek Isis and Hermes Trismegistus, who was said to be a physical incarnation of both Hermes and Thoth at the same time. Perhaps that would be worth looking onto for you.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:33 pm
I say there is no rule saying you can't worship all three. If it feels right to you, do it. I'm sure the Gods/Goddesses will understand your problem. On the other hand, if one path floats your boat, go for it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:00 pm
To be quite honest, I don't see how the whole switching thing would keep you from being eclectic except in the sense that you haven't actually blended them together so that they are quite unlike their regular forms. Also, it's been awhile since I've looked at any of the beliefs of the religions you're considering, so I am unfamiliar with how similar they are. But in general, if the ethical systems are vastly different from one another then I'd say that it'd be a bad idea to go back and forth between them at a rotation as it may create spiritual confusion within yourself. However if they are similar enough in most or all respects, then I wouldn't see too much of a problem with the whole switching aspect. Another thing, I've heard that some pantheons don't like to be substituted out or blended with other ones. As in they either just don't fit right or the gods themselves don't like the period of non-worship. I think kathenotheists can get away with this style of worship because they mange to work within the same pantheon.
My take on the whole idea of gods in general is that they are an ideal that was made up by man as an attempt to try and gain a better understanding of the infinite and death. So, if your view of the gods is similar, I think you can probably get around any negative karmic effects, if you will, that cycling through pantheons may have.
Another thing I just thought of, reconstructionist faiths are generally those faiths that are as close as possible to the faith of a certain geological time and location. In that sense, it may be better to stick to one of the faiths if only out of respect for the culture that the faith is coming from.
So, with that said, my advice is to do whatever it is you believe to be right. It may be to your benefit to take a couple weeks or so in which you meditate and do some true soul searching before you find your answer.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:54 am
chaoticpuppet Another thing I just thought of, reconstructionist faiths are generally those faiths that are as close as possible to the faith of a certain geological time and location. In that sense, it may be better to stick to one of the faiths if only out of respect for the culture that the faith is coming from. That's what I thought at first as well. It is a hard question. I've gone through something similar, but to me the solution came easy. I too am drawn to a wide variety of deities from many cultural pantheons. I recognized early though that it isn't the deity itself I am drawn to, but specific ideals and symbols behind those deities. Hence my solution has been to choose no pantheon and no Pagan deity at all and instead focus on the raw ideals and symbols. Since the world's mythologies all draw from common human experience, there are vast paralells between different cultural pantheons. I try to work with that core thing that all of them were drawing from instead of anthropomorphizing. To give an example, MoA braught up Ma'at and Themis as representing truth. If truth is something I value highly, I won't honor either of them to exclusion, but focus on the core idea of Truth. The various deities become sort of like correspondences to that idea of Truth and I might still pay honors to them as individuals in their own right. But no deity from any pantheon occupes sole focus... the archetypeal ideal or symbol does. Does this make sense? This method may or may not work for you as a solution, but I thought I'd throw it out there in addition to everyone else's excellent suggestions.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:19 am
mazuac Anyways, even though I don't beleive in a God, I think that they would understand your dilemma. Maybe eventually, after you try all three, you will decide on one? well, I hope this was helpful... Even though, if the Gods are loving, then they will accept you for who you are and you faith to them. So... good luck biggrin 3nodding This was quite helpful, thank you =) Perhaps I should just try out all three and see how it goes. A Murder of Angels First of all, do you have a patron deity? .....Also, I can't say much about Aztec faith, but were you aware that after the founding of Alexandria, a Greek city in Egypt, a kind of blend of cultures emerged there? Alexandria is the place of origin of figures like the Greek Isis and Hermes Trismegistus, who was said to be a physical incarnation of both Hermes and Thoth at the same time. Perhaps that would be worth looking onto for you. I do indeed. I am very close to HetHert, and I am spending time each day to meditate on my issue and ask HetHert to help me. Also, I have heard of the religion practiced at Alexandria, and I shall research it to see if I might be drawn to it. ffdarkangel I say there is no rule saying you can't worship all three. If it feels right to you, do it. I'm sure the Gods/Goddesses will understand your problem. On the other hand, if one path floats your boat, go for it. Well, that is what I hope for. As I said, I must spend time asking the gods from each pantheon if such a form of worship will be alright with them. chaoticpuppet To be quite honest, I don't see how the whole switching thing would keep you from being eclectic except in the sense that you haven't actually blended them together so that they are quite unlike their regular forms........Another thing I just thought of, reconstructionist faiths are generally those faiths that are as close as possible to the faith of a certain geological time and location. In that sense, it may be better to stick to one of the faiths if only out of respect for the culture that the faith is coming from. When I say Eclecticism, I am referring to when religions are so blended together you can't tell what they were originally. I am aware that the path I'm attracted to would label me an eclectic of sorts ...but I would rather have the label of reconstructionist smacked to my forehead in bigger letters. If that made any sense xD And yes, I have thought of the whole ..."probably-better-to-stick-to-one-faith-out-of-respect-for-it", and I do agree. The trouble is, I respect all three equally. If the gods wish it, then I will draw lots to choose one out of the three. Starlock To give an example, MoA braught up Ma'at and Themis as representing truth. If truth is something I value highly, I won't honor either of them to exclusion, but focus on the core idea of Truth. The various deities become sort of like correspondences to that idea of Truth and I might still pay honors to them as individuals in their own right. But no deity from any pantheon occupes sole focus... the archetypeal ideal or symbol does. Does this make sense? It does indeed, and I applaud you for finding your own path smile . I'm afraid though, that it wouldn't click with me however. I am a hard polytheist. I believe that all gods are separate beings, and I am content in my belief. Thank you for your advice.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:26 am
omnimodus Starlock To give an example, MoA braught up Ma'at and Themis as representing truth. If truth is something I value highly, I won't honor either of them to exclusion, but focus on the core idea of Truth. The various deities become sort of like correspondences to that idea of Truth and I might still pay honors to them as individuals in their own right. But no deity from any pantheon occupes sole focus... the archetypeal ideal or symbol does. Does this make sense? It does indeed, and I applaud you for finding your own path smile . I'm afraid though, that it wouldn't click with me however. I am a hard polytheist. I believe that all gods are separate beings, and I am content in my belief. Thank you for your advice. Oh, it isn't neccesarily incompatible with hard polytheism. I tried to word what I said in such a way to make that understood, but it appears I didn't get that across. Each of the Divine entities is still their own individual entity; Ma'at is not the same as Themis, it's the idea of Truth they hold in common that is the same. To use a metaphor, it's like having two friends you know who are both extroverts. You can classify them collectively as extroverts, but that doesn't suddenly make them loose their individual identities.
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Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:38 pm
Hm... Like I said before, I think you should try each one out, research each one, and if one of them CLICKs for you, than do it. But, because you respect each one, makes it difficult. But, respect is different than accept or love. Do you accept the ideas out of each religion and find that it makes sense to you?
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:28 am
omnimodus chaoticpuppet To be quite honest, I don't see how the whole switching thing would keep you from being eclectic except in the sense that you haven't actually blended them together so that they are quite unlike their regular forms........Another thing I just thought of, reconstructionist faiths are generally those faiths that are as close as possible to the faith of a certain geological time and location. In that sense, it may be better to stick to one of the faiths if only out of respect for the culture that the faith is coming from. When I say Eclecticism, I am referring to when religions are so blended together you can't tell what they were originally. I am aware that the path I'm attracted to would label me an eclectic of sorts ...but I would rather have the label of reconstructionist smacked to my forehead in bigger letters. If that made any sense xD I suppose I can see where you're coming from; however, it seems like it'd just create much less spiritual confusion if you either followed one of the paths or blended them together and took the term eclectic with a grain of salt... Hmm, this thought just occured to me, but if you blended the three, could you possibly term yourself a reconstructionist eclectic? If so, would such title be as bad as eclectic? omnimodus And yes, I have thought of the whole ..."probably-better-to-stick-to-one-faith-out-of-respect-for-it", and I do agree. The trouble is, I respect all three equally. If the gods wish it, then I will draw lots to choose one out of the three. I don't know that'd it'd come to that, unless they felt it was more important for you to follow only one of the paths. And that reminds me, my earlier point about the gods not liking you using other pantheons, I believe I misspoke a bit. I had a conversation with a couple pagans of different paths and we got on the subject of the gods and the pantheons. And as I am slowly recalling more of what the general idea was, I think I can better speak on what I meant when I said the gods may not like the switching of pantheons. I believe that what was talked about was actually the gods not liking to be thought of as similar to or the same as another god from another pantheon and using the names interchangeably. That is, say for instance you are equating the Roman God of war and soldiers (Mars) with the Hellenic God of war and soldiers (Ares). This is for the reason that while they may appear similar, they are also different since within different pantheons there is a different genealogy and different interactions among the gods and further each god, since it is from a different culture will have different characteristics.
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