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 Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:55 pm
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 Quote: 5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun. What does this mean?
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:12 pm
it means when a person deis, he can't do anything in this world anymore.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:55 pm
I've commented on this in two other guilds, but I'll comment here too: GuardianAngel44 No. The whole book is basically Solomon getting depressed and saying everything is meaningless. He loses God for a while and believes that there is no God. This is him saying that life is short and pointless, and that when we die then we will simply cease to exist. He is basically depressed and decends into atheism. Does that explain it?
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:11 pm
GuardianAngel44 I've commented on this in two other guilds, but I'll comment here too: GuardianAngel44 No. The whole book is basically Solomon getting depressed and saying everything is meaningless. He loses God for a while and believes that there is no God. This is him saying that life is short and pointless, and that when we die then we will simply cease to exist. He is basically depressed and decends into atheism. Does that explain it? NO....he is comparing this life to THIS LIVE, what can man do HERE, what can we gain by our work HERE on earth..... nothing is correct, everything is meaningless here, he not just depressed, he is teaching us the whole duty of man, why we exists and are here.
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:34 pm
me know it all GuardianAngel44 I've commented on this in two other guilds, but I'll comment here too: GuardianAngel44 No. The whole book is basically Solomon getting depressed and saying everything is meaningless. He loses God for a while and believes that there is no God. This is him saying that life is short and pointless, and that when we die then we will simply cease to exist. He is basically depressed and decends into atheism. Does that explain it? NO....he is comparing this life to THIS LIVE, what can man do HERE, what can we gain by our work HERE on earth..... nothing is correct, everything is meaningless here, he not just depressed, he is teaching us the whole duty of man, why we exists and are here. not if you read the whole book in context. My church did a five week series on it. I should know.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:11 pm
the whole book in context is about STRESS, yes solomon had this, he turn away from GOD, but he is teaching us why we are really here with this book, your quote seamed like you said we had nothing to learn from this...
2 TIMOTHY 3:16 all scripture is GOD-BREATHED and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
that be ECCLESIASTES too 3nodding but that quote you have is worded funny, and it sounds like your agianst this confused
what did you mean in saying that quote????"just him depressed"???
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:23 pm
me know it all the whole book in context is about STRESS, yes solomon had this, he turn away from GOD, but he is teaching us why we are really here with this book, your quote seamed like you said we had nothing to learn from this... 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 all scripture is GOD-BREATHED and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, that be ECCLESIASTES too 3nodding but that quote you have is worded funny, and it sounds like your agianst this confused what did you mean in saying that quote????"just him depressed"??? I never said that we had nothing to learn from this. I reviewed it this weekend, and I discovered that Solomon was really saying that everything is meaningless without God. As for everything is useful for teaching, what about Song of Solomon? (the sex book eek ) How does that teach you anything?
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:07 pm
GuardianAngel44 I never said that we had nothing to learn from this. I reviewed it this weekend, and I discovered that Solomon was really saying that everything is meaningless without God. As for everything is useful for teaching, what about Song of Solomon? (the sex book eek ) How does that teach you anything? yes, that is correct...... pastors use the song of solomon book to teach others, but me not pastor... 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 say ALL scripture, so it must be useful for something... try asking a pastor, he know..... wink
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:08 am
me know it all GuardianAngel44 I never said that we had nothing to learn from this. I reviewed it this weekend, and I discovered that Solomon was really saying that everything is meaningless without God. As for everything is useful for teaching, what about Song of Solomon? (the sex book eek ) How does that teach you anything? yes, that is correct...... pastors use the song of solomon book to teach others, but me not pastor... 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 say ALL scripture, so it must be useful for something... try asking a pastor, he know..... wink The song of solomon may be about sex but it teaches so much more. It teaches about reserving yourself for marriage and showing other people love. In chapter 8, she expresses how his love for her makes her feel, she has grown so confident in herself because of this man. He has lavished her with compliments. By complimenting her and making her feel special she is growing as a person, this teaches that we should do the same to those we cherish instead of taking them for granted. Compare their relationship with the modern day stereotypical relationships. See the difference? In chapter 3, her devotion to her husband is demonstrated. When she awoke in the night but could not find him she ran out onto the street to search because she was afraid he could be hurt. She wandered the streets until she found him and then she held him close and wouldn't let him go until she'd taken him to her mother's house to the room where she'd been born. Devotion or what? and she wasn't angry when she found him. It has been debated about by scholars as to whether this book is true or not. Some believe it is symbolic about god and us, some think its literal and show that there is a place for love and sex within our faith and others would argue that it was actually written for a musical. By the way, I'm not a pastor but it's something i might like to do when i'm older.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:58 am
Ecclesaistes
The first point in this book was that Life without God is meaningless. So after he's established this he tries to tackle life with God.
Ecclesaistes 9 v5-6
This displays his confusion and teaches people to trust in god. He was known as 'The Teacher' so he must have been regarded quite high in those times so he's trying to tell others that there is no shame in confusion. Prior to this he say's that he cannot understand god
"Ecclesaistes 8 v17
I also saw what God has done. Nobody can understand what God does here on Earth. No matter how hard people try to understand it, they cannot. Even if wise people say they understand, they cannot; no-one can really understand it."
In 9 v5-6, he is trying to say that although life is better than death because in life you have hope but in death there is nothing, you should not waste it trying to understand God. God is something that can't be understood, you only have one life do not waste it trying, just trust in him.
Ancient Jews didn't believe in heaven they thought that death brought only "the grave". The Hebrew word "Sheol" referred to a silent gloomy, mysterious world where the early jews believed that departed spirits went.
9 v1-4 says that life and death is an unfair affair and god has control over it so should we not rebel against the unfair king? No, we should trust him because 8v16-17 says we could not understand why he does it that way anyway.
v7-10 supports this cause he says that we should enjoy life.
In other words he's saying that Life is short so make the most of it coz we can't do the things we can when were alive when were dead.
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:05 pm
But we can do better in heaven. This, like the first part of the book, is from an atheist view point.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:20 pm
Actually he was an ancient jew. They believed in "sheol" which is hebrew for a silent gloomy, mysterious world where the early jews believed that departed spirits went. The early jews didn't believe in a heaven. He wasn't atheist because he was forever talking about trusting god, so he must ahve believed in one.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:59 pm
nippa! Actually he was an ancient jew. They believed in "sheol" which is hebrew for a silent gloomy, mysterious world where the early jews believed that departed spirits went. The early jews didn't believe in a heaven. He wasn't atheist because he was forever talking about trusting god, so he must ahve believed in one. I knew who he was. During the first part of the book, he was searching for something meaningfull in this life, like most non-Christians do. He never mentions trusting God until partway through the book.
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