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TheDemonNurse

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:44 pm


A week or two ago I was browsing through a textbook called Contemporary (I think that's how it's spelled) living and a page catches my eye. Why? Cause it says abortion. I wrote down two quotes from it just for the sake of it and I wanted to know what everyone thought of it.

"Abortion is a choice that should be made by an individual only after seeking the best counsel available from religious leaders, parents, doctors, and counselors."

And this is how Pro-choicers are described:

"Those in favor of the right to choose abortion say that an embryo is not yet a human life."

Eh.

Your thoughts?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:25 pm


I disagree with the second quote. It IS a life, but it's not a person. And abortion is more about protecting bodily domain than anything else, really. If women become slaves to their uteruses, what's next?

Fran Salaska


PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:32 pm


Not suprising. Our side is often misrepresented. This was the first place I even heard of bodily domain used as the basis of the argument.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:39 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Not suprising. Our side is often misrepresented. This was the first place I even heard of bodily domain used as the basis of the argument.
Which is a damned shame because in philosophy it's nearly 40 years old (J.J. Thomson's Defense of Abortion essay from 1971).

The concept and it's relation to abortion is old; the reason you never hear it is because it is bad press to be pro-choice (until very recently) and anyone who thinks abortion is anything better than a 'necessary evil' is cold hearted and cruel. Also reasoned thought rarely takes place in the political spectrum of soundbites and quotable quotes that get people elected on charisma instead of platforms.

/quite disenchanted with the vast majority of people
//idocracy

Talon-chan


caffinated_tulip

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:42 am


I like the way the first part is phrased "Abortion is a choice..." but the second part seems off to me... I guess that I sort of agree with it and sort of dont. I dont see a fetus as "Life", I see it as " Potential Life". Splitting hairs maybe, but also important. I dont view a fetus as being a living being until it would be viable outside the mother's womb. Is this a commonly held belief?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:37 pm


TheDemonNurse
A week or two ago I was browsing through a textbook called Contemporary (I think that's how it's spelled) living and a page catches my eye. Why? Cause it says abortion. I wrote down two quotes from it just for the sake of it and I wanted to know what everyone thought of it.

"Abortion is a choice that should be made by an individual only after seeking the best counsel available from religious leaders, parents, doctors, and counselors."

And this is how Pro-choicers are described:

"Those in favor of the right to choose abortion say that an embryo is not yet a human life."

Eh.

Your thoughts?


I don't find either quote to be entirely accurate; an individual does not have to speak with all those other people to make such a decision; it is theirs to make, and no one elses. If they wish to seek someone's opinion, that's fine, but being forced to? No way.

As for the definition of pro-choicers? Still wrong. Pro-abortionists are "in favour" of abortion. Pro-choicers are in favour "of choosing" one way or the other; whether keeping it, aborting it, or giving it up. Good gravy, it sounds like whoever wrote the textbook was somewhat biased, and put too much importance into discussing it with people who have no right to make judgements one way or another.

Nor did I see my aborted embryo as lifeless; it was a choice I had to make, albeit painful. It was for the better; my health was terrible, and because he worried, my fiance's health suffered as well.

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PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:41 pm


Talon-chan
...Which is a damned shame because in philosophy it's nearly 40 years old (J.J. Thomson's Defense of Abortion essay from 1971).


Can you find that essay online anywhere? I've never seen it.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:00 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Talon-chan
...Which is a damned shame because in philosophy it's nearly 40 years old (J.J. Thomson's Defense of Abortion essay from 1971).


Can you find that essay online anywhere? I've never seen it.
ORLY? I'll look.


wikipedia about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Defense_of_Abortion

From what I can tell this appears to be the full article:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm

Keep an eye out for the violinist argument, the people seeds, someone's "fevered brow," the super-expanding-going-to-crush-you-in-your-house baby, and the boy who is stingy with chocolates.

If all of those do not appear, it's not the full article sweatdrop

For those who can't be bothered to read what entails about 20 pages of typed up text here is an outline:
http://www.angelfire.com/ks3/tsader_philosophy/LuperBrown/Judith_Jarvis_Thomson.htm

For those who feel guilty reading it for free... here's a JSTOR link that many colleges have subscriptions to:
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0048-3915(197123)1:1<47:ADOA>2.0.CO;2-G

Talon-chan


PhaedraMcSpiffy

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:47 pm


I'll get on it eventually....

(When I googled J.J. Thomson, I got the J.J. Thomson who was a famous physicist!)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:43 pm


agree with the first quote, don't agree with the second. i know a fetus is a life, for it is(cellularily until sentience)alive. personhood is the issue.

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