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 Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:03 pm
And once again
If you're so against MMA -
Why are you competing in MMA events? Its not like anybody asked you to. Most legit promotions only accept fighters from MMA gyms. So if anything, it was most likely you or somebody from your Dojo that signed you up to fight.
You seem like a nice guy and all. But you just contradict yourself.
I've got enough proof that you do fight between your myspace and the article - so I'm not questioning that anymore.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:16 pm
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks I think it's funny how big of a confused Asiaphile you are You train Karate, but want to become a Shaolin Monk You hate on fighters who don't practice Zen, but neither do Shaolin Monks You're a major hypocrite with a bad case of "Holier than thou" syndrome. So what if you don't celebrate after fights? I didn't celebrate my only win because it was just a smoker. Don't think you're a better person just because of the religion you follow. ANd btw, Evan Tanner is a Zen Buddhist. I think it's funny how stupid you are neutral . Keyboard warrior has good points to make and has some foundation on what he's talking about. You seem to be making stuff up inside your head and then believing it's true, probably as you go along. Yes, I do train in Karate, goju ryu to be specific, and I want to become a MONK, maybe not a shaolin monk, and if was a shaolin monk, I REALLY fail to see what your point is. What is your point? Karate is too far away from shaolin kung fu? I do not hate fighters who don't practice zen. I wouldn't even go as far as saying I don't like them. I just wish they would, so they can experience even more to their training, as I have. So where in the hell you get the idea that I hate other fighters like that is beyond me, if I were to guess, yes another thing you just took as truth because the thought came into your head. I do not see how I am a hypocrite at all, maybe in your world. I do not think of myself as better than them. There is no better. They are human beings just like me. Monks greatly strive for equality in all, they don't feel they're better than the people, if that's what your thinking. I REALLY do not understand your point about me not celebrating fights and you not celebrating because your opponent was a smoker. Alright, so what of it? Was there a point behind it? Again, I do not see myself as better. And zen is not a religion, it can be considered a way of life, but it's not a religion itself. It's in taoism, buddhism, hinduism, hell, even Jesus spoke of it, though he didn't use the word zen. So, I'm not really concerned with their religion. You can be an athiest and still have zen. I actually did not know that about Evan Tanner, thank you for telling me, I'll make sure to look more into him and see what else I can find out. I'm guessing your point was that MMAtists can practice zen too? If so, were you trying to point something out on your side, or was it just random fact? Next time you post, PLEASE have some logic or reason behind it, it's getting rediculous responding to you. I love a good debate and exchange of ideas, but that's only with people who have a foundation behind what they are claiming. I'm not 100% sure what your even trying to prove at this point, to be honest. >Still wishes to hear from keyboard warrior<
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:57 pm
Karate and Shaolin Kung Fu are different
Karate is Japanese and a hard style
Shaolin Kung Fu is Chinese and purely for show
So what exactly is your religion?
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:00 am
Jinqi is like the biggest tard ever. That is all.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:59 am
Tatsuya_Kawajiri Jinqi is like the biggest tard ever. That is all. Don't hate, he's legit. Just weird. To my knowledge, he's the only guy here who actually competes in MMA (unless you do too, but I thought you only did Combat Wrestling)
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:56 am
I put the reason in a previous post, saying: Quote: For those wondering why I'd do something as violent as MMA while wanting to become a monk, well, there's a reason I'm not a monk yet. I still don't have the correct mindset, and there is a part of me that does enjoy the thrill of competition, as much as I wish it doesn't. I see it was a great way to test at least some of my MA skills, and a very good form of training. But I am not proud of this, either. I'm not a perfect person, I have flaws, and that's just one of them. Shaolin and kung fu ARE different, but they're still a martial art, not to mention my specific style, goju ryu, is the most heavily influenced by chinese martial arts out of any karate system, the 2 most common translations I've heard for goju are "hard and soft," "steadfast and gentle" shaolin is not actually purely for show, it's just when comparing it to other more straightforward styles like karate or tae kuan do, it seems like their movements have no basis. Hell, it looks like that even to me. But martial arts like that always have something subtle about them which most people cannot see, as I've experienced it in some of my goju ryu kata, going from "I shouldn't even bother with this," to "Wow, I should pay a lot more attention to this...." Which is why I love bukai oyo, analysis and application, to show you how to effectively and practically use what's in the kata. my religion, it's hard to exactly pinpoint. I'm a gnostic christian (basically christianity that is anything but fundamentalist, stick to Jesus' TRUE teachings, no friggin gay bashing or saying everyone's going to hell), I'm a buddist, I'm a taoist, and I'm a shintoist. Hell, I even have a few wiccan and pegan beliefs thrown in there. And this is all after starting out hardcore athiest, lol. Nearly all religions have the same friggin message, though most people can never wipe the crap out of their eyes to see it. I'd dare say more buddhists get into heaven than christians. Quote: Jinqi is like the biggest tard ever. That is all. If there's one thing that actually can get me angry, it's unintelligent, pointless posts with quick comments such as that. If you would like to explain why you disagree with me, go for it and we can have a discussion. If not, I really don't think your in line to call ANYONE a "tard" (hell, the use of that word alone can make anyone question your logic).
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:58 am
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Tatsuya_Kawajiri Jinqi is like the biggest tard ever. That is all. Don't hate, he's legit. Just weird. To my knowledge, he's the only guy here who actually competes in MMA (unless you do too, but I thought you only did Combat Wrestling) Why, yes, I have been called weird by almost everyone I meet, lol pirate
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:01 pm
Jingi_warrior no, it wasn't just that 1 bad experience, I had this opinion long before I even had my first match, that experience just made my mindset a lot more set on it. I personally don't like the celebrating because I do not like any form of gloating or bragging of any sort, and the celebration is a form of gloating, and sometimes it is just way overdone. Yes, you worked hard, but that doesn't make you special, plenty of people worked hard. It just so happens you worked harder than that 1 particular opponent, I don't see a reason to run around the ring screaming your head off. It was one opponent. If you have beaten an opponent who is regarded as high level, then gloating is acceptable....just so long as you don't act like a total a**. Quote: Yes, on TV you do see a lot of that. But it is not always the case. I heard from one of the people that schedules fights for me that in the first place I fought, I left early right after my match, but soon after the next match or something, the fighters ended up getting into a fight backstage because of some trash talking or something. Probably because of too much gloating. Or maybe because it was a small, poorly regulated venue? The majority of high level MMA organizations wouldn't tolerate such behavior. Quote: The first (at least eastern) martial arts, shaolin kung fu, was created not for the purpose of beating other opponents, but bodhidharma saw the other shaolin monks shivering in cold because of the weather, and knew there's no way they could become any form of spiritual leaders if they couldn't even take care of their own bodies. Shaolin kung fu was born, by a bunch of monks, so there was the first eastern martial art, I think it's safe to assume that some philosophy was put into it. Shao Lin is derived from kalaripayattu(sp?), an Indian martial art. And just because a monk brought this art(which existed way before Bodhidarma) over to teach to other monks, does not mean that the philosophy is inherent. Also, there were many other styles of martial arts around in East Asia prior to the introduction of kalari/Shao Lin. Taekyon(not to be confused with Tae Kwon Do, which is derived from shotokon) was around in the Korean peninsula nearly 500 yrs before Bodhidarma brought kalaripayattu to Shao Lin temple. So I have to call bullshit on the myth that Shao Lin was the first Eastern martial art. Quote: You can train in the martial arts without any form of philosophy, that's pretty much all I did my first 2-3 years of training, I only wanted to become a fighter, only know deadly fighting techniques, quickest way to kill my opponent, ect, without really caring about any other aspect. Eventually it dawned on me that I cannot become the best martial artist I can be just like that, and life is just a lot better if you do put those into play. Life may be better for you with philosophy/religion.....but it sure as hell doesn't mean d**k when learning fighting techniques. Quote: Yes, you are very correct about the fighting aspect, any martial art that sacrifices it's brutal fighting aspect is not a true martial art in my class, just some philosophy class with a bit of exercise. So then what are we arguing about? Quote: Needless to say, I disagree with your idea that martial arts is not a way for spiritual enlightenment. You won't exactly reach nirvana, but you can become a lot more in touch with yourself and who you are, as I've seen personally. Self discovery(as in discovering what you're physically capable of) and spiritual enlightenment are not the same. You attain spiritual enlightenment through some sort of religious concept, not through the martial arts. If people only train in the martial arts for this purpose, then they are diluding themselves. Quote: If a person wants to learn a martial art for the sole purpose of fighting, I feel that is only a bastardized version of the true soul of the art. You consider the moral standards to be false, but I don't. Moral standards differ from person to person, so placing a universal moral standard on martial arts and asking people with conflicting standards to conform with this false martial standard is ludicrous. The true soul/core of martial arts can be seen within the techniques of the various martial arts. Once you finally figure out what those techniques are meant for, then you will see what the core/soul is. Quote: But it's really funny that you brought Miyamoto Musashi into this, as he is one of my favorite martial artist, and I have spent a great deal studing his entire life. A book I'd reccomend on him is "Miyamoto Musashi: His Life and Writings" by Kenji Tokitsu. It goes into as much detail as it can about everything. I don't ever recall him being refered to as sword saint, but demon of the sword sounds about right, though I can't fully recall what the exact nickname was. I don't recall the book or any other reading of him dancing on the grve of his opponent, either. I may be wrong about him dancing on an opponents grave. I will concede to this. But yes, he has been referred to as "sword saint". Also, if you read "The Book of Five Rings", you can see that here clearly seperates religion from the fighting arts. But aside from all that, I just read that he had his most famous duel on my birthday, April 14th.....and he won with a bokken carved from an oar no less.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:00 am
I'm not reading s**t, or believing he has a legit MMA record until I'm given evidence.
*has competed Shooto C class rules before*
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:48 am
Tatsuya_Kawajiri I'm not reading s**t, or believing he has a legit MMA record until I'm given evidence. *has competed Shooto C class rules before* Well, if you DID read anything, I gave an account of my first 2 fights, the first one having a link to an article on it.
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:09 am
Quote: If you have beaten an opponent who is regarded as high level, then gloating is acceptable....just so long as you don't act like a total a**. Well, I guess if it's acceptable or not comes down to a matter of opinion, I feel it's not under any circumstances, but you feel otherwise, I guess Quote: Or maybe because it was a small, poorly regulated venue? The majority of high level MMA organizations wouldn't tolerate such behavior. This venue was small, but it was pretty well established, but no matter how good it is, you can never control how the fighters end up reacting Quote: Shao Lin is derived from kalaripayattu(sp?), an Indian martial art. And just because a monk brought this art(which existed way before Bodhidarma) over to teach to other monks, does not mean that the philosophy is inherent. Also, there were many other styles of martial arts around in East Asia prior to the introduction of kalari/Shao Lin. Taekyon(not to be confused with Tae Kwon Do, which is derived from shotokon) was around in the Korean peninsula nearly 500 yrs before Bodhidarma brought kalaripayattu to Shao Lin temple. So I have to call bullshit on the myth that Shao Lin was the first Eastern martial art. Hmmm, I knew bodhidharma brought an asian MA to teach to the monks and put his own twist to it, focusing more on physical development than fighting techniques, but pretty much all of the other stuff is new information to me, and I'm going to have to research it myself, thank you for pointing it out to me. Quote: Life may be better for you with philosophy/religion.....but it sure as hell doesn't mean d**k when learning fighting techniques. Actually, it can mean something when learning fighting techniques, quite a lot actually. I think when I get more time today (if I get more time today), I'll go into real detail about it. But again, I do see where your coming from, and it's not so simple as "Oh look, I'm following a philosophy, my MA has gotten much better!" Quote: So then what are we arguing about? The point made above, you don't feel it'll help with fighting techniques all that much if any, I feel that it can help tremendously. And I don't think I'd call this an argument, no one's throwing around pointless insults, so it can be a heated debate biggrin Quote: Self discovery(as in discovering what you're physically capable of) and spiritual enlightenment are not the same. You attain spiritual enlightenment through some sort of religious concept, not through the martial arts. If people only train in the martial arts for this purpose, then they are diluding themselves. No, self discovery and spiritual enlightenment are not the same per se, but you can start heading towards spiritual enlightenment BECAUSE of self discovery, again, as I did. My short in a nutshell version of my case was basically, "If I'm finding out so much out about what I can physically do, what about what I can mentally do...what else do I not know...." Quote: Moral standards differ from person to person, so placing a universal moral standard on martial arts and asking people with conflicting standards to conform with this false martial standard is ludicrous. The true soul/core of martial arts can be seen within the techniques of the various martial arts. Once you finally figure out what those techniques are meant for, then you will see what the core/soul is. I'm not talking about getting TOO into detail about the moral aspects, but I mean just the pure basic stuff: Life is too precious, you should not use your skills just to kill, it should be as a final last resort. That's the biggest thing that worries me, MA places kind of like that cobra dojo in the karate kid, the antagonists. Quote: I may be wrong about him dancing on an opponents grave. I will concede to this. But yes, he has been referred to as "sword saint". Also, if you read "The Book of Five Rings", you can see that here clearly seperates religion from the fighting arts. But aside from all that, I just read that he had his most famous duel on my birthday, April 14th.....and he won with a bokken carved from an oar no less. hmm....well, I could see where sword saint would be appropriate, maybe that just slipped my mind. But I do know for a fact he was also called a demon many times cause of his skills, lol. I've actually read the book of 5 rings from various authors so I can read various translations, and have had read several explanations of various parts of the book of 5 rings. He said to respect the Gods and the Buddhas, but not to rely on them. I feel like he was specifically talking about battles, not to expect any divine intervention. The training aspect, however, you can imply certain philosophies. Another way of taking is to not rely on the deities themselves for anything, but their teachings.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:58 am
Jingi_warrior Tatsuya_Kawajiri I'm not reading s**t, or believing he has a legit MMA record until I'm given evidence. *has competed Shooto C class rules before* Well, if you DID read anything, I gave an account of my first 2 fights, the first one having a link to an article on it. So you're a fat s**t that enjoys being kicked in the balls? Tight.
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