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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:27 am


The Mary Rose
Henry VIII's favourite warship


Mary Rose (official website)

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BBC News - 25th anniversary of the raise of the Mary Rose
11th October 1982


After spending over 400 years on the seabed, the hull of the Mary Rose was raised in 1982 and put in a dry dock with a relative humidity of 95%.
She is sprayed with a special wax continually every day to preserve her.

See wikipedia for more details - Mary Rose Reference (Wikipedia)


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Wikipedia - The Mary Rose
The Mary Rose was an English Tudor carrack warship and one of the first to be able to fire a full broadside of cannons. The Mary Rose was well equipped with 78 guns (91 after an upgrade in 1536). Built in Portsmouth, England (1509–1510) she was thought to be named after King Henry VIII's sister Mary and the rose, the Tudor emblem. She was one of the earliest purpose-built warships to serve in the English Navy; it is thought that she never served as a merchant ship. She displaced 500 tons (700 tons after 1536), was 38.5 m long and 11.7 m abeam and her crew consisted of 200 sailors, 185 soldiers, and 30 gunners. Although she was the pride of the English fleet, she was sunk in the Solent, and it is thought she sank during an engagement with the French fleet on July 19, 1545. The exact cause of her sinking has not been definitely determined but is thought to be because of instability. The surviving section of the ship was raised in 1982 and is now on display in Portsmouth Historic Dockyard along with an extensive collection of well preserved artifacts.


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Wikipedia - Sinking of the Mary Rose
In 1545, King Francis I of France launched an invasion of England with 30,000 soldiers in more than 200 ships. Against this invasion fleet—larger than the Spanish Armada forty-three years later—the English had about 80 ships and 12,000 soldiers, with the Mary Rose the flagship of Vice Admiral Sir George Carew. In early July the French entered the Solent channel, between Hampshire and the Isle of Wight. On July 19, 1545 (see Battle of the Solent) the English came out of Portsmouth and engaged the French at long range, little damage being done on either side. The next day was calm, and the French employed their galleys against the immobile English vessels. Toward evening a breeze sprang up and as Mary Rose advanced to battle she capsized and sank with the loss of all but 35 of her crew. There were sources that said that the ship had fired from the portside and made a sharp turn so it could fire from the starboard side. The turn was so sharp that the ship keeled over to one side but at the same time the gun ports were open so that water rushed in and the ship sank. Sources also suggest that the Mary Rose had the gunports too low for it to be stable. Furthermore, the ship was carrying a large number of soldiers on her upper decks, with the possible result of further raising her centre of gravity and making her even more unstable. As was common in warships of the time, the upper decks were covered with netting to prevent soldiers from enemy ships from boarding. When the Mary Rose sank, this netting prevented many from escaping in time and contributed to the high percentage of casualties. Furthermore many sailors could not swim, as having a reputation for superstition, they regarded this as tempting fate. Losses were therefore particularly severe.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:17 am


I love this ship. I remember the excitement when she was found and raised! It's on the top of my list of stuff to see when I get back over there. In the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA), which is a group of Medieval and Renaissance enthusiasts, my persona is from the earlier end of the period to which the MR has been dated.

Have you ever been to see her, DM? Do you have pictures?

JastaElf
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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:32 pm


The Mary Rose is in the Historic Dockyard in Portsmouth along with HMS Victory and HMS Warrior 1860, so yeah I've been to see her. Unfortunately, she's enclosed in the boathouse and you can only see her through glass. I don't think photos were allowed (but I'll check next time I'm down there which will be just after the new year).

Those pictures I've put up are pretty much the best ones you're going to find of her apart from the old paintings. You really have to see her for yourself, you can actually feel how ghostly it is watching her being sprayed with this wax. There's a slight fog in there because of the damp as well.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:55 am


I love it. *adds this to itinerary*

I've seen any number of articles about what they found in and on her when she was uncovered. My persona in the Society for Creative Anachronism is from the early Tudor era, so the Mary Rose find was VERY significant for me. Plus it's a ship, what's not to like??

JastaElf
Crew


DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:51 am


The Historic Dockyard as HMS Victory, the Mary Rose and HMS Warrior 1860 (the first ironclad warship - still a tall ship though). So, buying a ticket means you get to see all three, as well as other stuff in the dockyard. The Tall Ship Youth Trust's headquarters are also in Portsmouth, so maybe when you get the chance to come over you could do a voyage then. I can certainly endeavour to get on to the same voyage (depending on what life's got for me at the time).

Did you know it took the archaeologists 10 years to get all the silt out from Mary Rose before they could actually raise her in 1982?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:26 am


Hey guys, take a look at this...
25th Anniversary of the raise of the Mary Rose. She was raised on October 11th 1982. It's 25 years to this day. ^_^

The link is also on the first post.

DM_Melkhar
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JastaElf
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:43 pm


OK, THAT was bitchin' to watch!!!! Wow!

Of course on October 11, 1982 I was a little busy... since I was in labour with the only of my children to survive to be born... smile He wasn't born until the 13th, but I remember sitting there in the hospital, watching the raising on the news, going "OWWW! *pant pant pant* Wow, LOOK at THAT! OWWW!" The doctor was accustomed to me by then, and my husband just rolled his eyes...

Yes, sports fans, Jasta is THAT OLD... LOL!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:34 am


I'd thought you were in your early to mid thirties! You seemed to be too interested in the same kinds of things as us "youngsters" as it were to be any older than that. It's a great thing though, to see that there are people in different generations who are interested in the same things as some younger people today.

I wish I could have watched that then (youtube...hmm...), but alas! I wasn't born until 1986. eek

I can't wait to see her again in January.

DM_Melkhar
Captain


JastaElf
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:37 am


I'm not ashamed to say I just turned 51 on October 1 this year... *grins* My son turns 25 tomorrow.

My philosophy on life matches Dr. Who: "It's never too late to have a happy childhood!"

*grins*

Jasta,
Geezer
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:29 am


I didn't expect that! Heh. It just seems strange that someone from a completely different generation is on Gaia. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing the earlier generations would be interested in. At least there are a few like yourself though!

Back to Mary Rose though...
Some people have said "it's just a huge chunk of wood being sprayed with wax, not that interesting." How so? Yes, it's a wreck, but it's a piece of British history and an important one at that! For the archaeologists to have raised her from the depths in the condition she is in now is remarkable!

DM_Melkhar
Captain


JastaElf
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:50 am


I think Tacitus meant people who say things like that when he said "those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it"...

The things we learned about the lives of early Renaissance sailors, and about the things they had with them and made use of in their work, was worth the price of raising the Mary Rose. Scholarship advanced hugely because of the archaeological finds in that wreck. She deserves to be saved!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:52 am


I believe they're looking for the other half of her.

DM_Melkhar
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