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lymelady
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:58 am


I agree about emotional tactics and reactions...but there is no way to divorce reason from emotion entirely in this situation.

We need values to set, otherwise, reason will only tell us what will happen in a given situation, it won't tell us which one is better. Even if you set it as least harm done, it can be argued either way. Our emotions and our values are what make the reasonable choice reasonable in this situation.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:01 am


Emotions might be YOUR reason, but you can't them to be THE reason.

Erasmas


WatersMoon110
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:25 am


Erasmas
but you can't them to be THE reason.

I'm sorry? You seem to be missing at least one word there, and for the life of me, I can't figure it out...
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:38 am


Erasmas
Emotions might be YOUR reason, but you can't them to be THE reason.
Alright. Give me a pro-life argument completely devoid of emotions. Entirely. Not one emotion. Not one value placed on anything. Just plain, simple reason.

lymelady
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WatersMoon110
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:37 am


lymelady
Alright. Give me a pro-life argument completely devoid of emotions. Entirely. Not one emotion. Not one value placed on anything. Just plain, simple reason.
Heh. I think I maybe have one:

"Unborn humans exist only because of the action of the pregnant woman (in cases of consensual sex, because this falls apart in cases of rape). Removing of the unborn human, before viability, results in the death of the unborn human. Because the pregnant woman's actions resulting in the creation of the unborn human, and removal would result in the death of the unborn human, the pregnant woman should then be obligated to carry the unborn human until viability."

*grin* I don't happen to believe that (obviously), but I think that it isn't emotional in nature. Do I win a cupcake (we have no cookies, only cupcakes, so I can't win a cookie)?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:37 pm


Good argument, but will you then argue that women should have to leave STDs untreated when they choose to have sex? If you do, then that's consistent and based on reason alone, people need to deal with the consequences of their actions without anything to ease their suffering, because they chose to risk it.

lymelady
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WatersMoon110
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:51 pm


lymelady
Good argument, but will you then argue that women should have to leave STDs untreated when they choose to have sex? If you do, then that's consistent and based on reason alone, people need to deal with the consequences of their actions without anything to ease their suffering, because they chose to risk it.
And the response to that would be, "STIs aren't human." and that gets countered with "Why is human life more valuable?" And one gets right back to the emotional basis that human life is valuable because it is human.

Darn. I was close though.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:45 am


But does man's visceral instinct to survive kind of negate the whole emotional thing? I mean, all things considered, that's not something that changes nor is it something we can help, y'know?

Erasmas

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