Most Recent Post of Previous argument: my response to Mibster
mibster
*sighs and shakes head* look a lot of things contradict it's self in the bible...for example in the old testament it says "give an eye for an eye" BUT in the new testament it says "turn the other cheek" so which do you listen to?....you listen to Jesus...and even though it says that jesus said do not touch things that are unclean. I STILL think that Jesus would want us to love everybody...INCLUDING non Christians...because there is a chance for us to change thier hearts
- [supposed] "contradictions" are translational issues/ discrepancies between manuscripts/ or a better lack of knowledge concerning scripture. If you have qualms with the verses I provided, have a look see at 2 Timothy 3:16-17 - or are there problems with these also?..."eye for an eye" is part of the old covenant, and 'turning the other check' is part of the new covenant: the covenants are SEPARATE. Albeit, the NT is the succession of the OT. Yes, Jesus does care for every lost soul as well every saved soul. He asks all of His elect to pray for laborers of the harvest (Matt 9:37, 38.); additionally 'calling' every Christian to be a witness (Acts 1:8.). Although, do you understand what is meant by "Do not be yoked together with [X]"? "yoked" according to the American Heritage Dictionary (contextually matched to scripture [there is further meaning given in the definition, but that left out does not concern the context of our discussion]) and the Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words (any specific meaning is dependant on context) is as follows:
American Heritage Dictionary & Vines NT Greek Definitions
A.H.D.:
yoke (yōk) Pronunciation Key
n.
A crossbar with two U-shaped pieces that encircle the necks of a pair of oxen or other draft animals working together.
pl. yoke or yokes A pair of draft animals, such as oxen, joined by a yoke.
A bar used with a double harness to connect the collar of each horse to the pole of a wagon or coach.
Vines:
YOKE, YOKED
A. Nouns.
1. zugos (
zugo/$
, NT:221 cool , "a yoke," serving to couple two things together, is used (1) metaphorically, (a) of submission to authority, Matt 11:29,30, of Christ's "yoke," not simply imparted by Him but shared with Him; (b) of bondage, Acts 15:10 and Gal 5:1, of bondage to the Law as a supposed means of salvation; (c) of bond service to masters, 1 Tim 6:1; (2) to denote "a balance," Rev 6:5. See BALANCE.
2. zeugos (
zeu=go$
, NT:2201), "a pair of animals," Luke 14:19. See PAIR.
B. Verb.
heterozugeo (
e(terozuge/w
, NT:2086), "to be unequally yoked" (heteros, "another of a different sort," and A, No. 1), is used metaphorically in 2 Cor 6:14.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)
To be yoked is to be 'joined together,' "Do not be yoked together with" is to say 'do not be joined together with.' With the portrayal of this in 2 Corinthians 6:14 a metaphorical one.
Consider this: two oxen are yoked together in preparation to plow a field. The first, is well fed and willing to work - full well knowing what is expected of it. The second, is not well fed and unwilling to work - even though it full well knows what is expected of it. The first oxen attempts to plow a straight line, while the second attempts to make its way to where it will find food: and as a result a straight line is not plowed when it is the only thing acceptable - a straight line.
Better-yet: "2 Cor 6:14-16
14 [Do not be yoked together with unbelievers.] For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?NIV
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....I'm not saying that the bible is wrong....I'm just saying that we can't seperate ourselves from non christians because Jesus wouldn't want that for us....he would want us to like...be their for them and help them....
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in the bible Jesus gave the "Good Samaritan" story...I am very familiar with it because my church is called "the good samaritan united methodist church" NOW when the dude was beaten up...the priest walked past him because he was "unclean" and another person pasted him since the preist passed the guy....BUT the Good samaritan stopped and helped the person covered in blood EVEN THOUGH HE WAS CONSIDERED UNCLEAN.......he cared for the poor man like he was his friend....now if a Samaritan can do that surely a christian can help an "unclean" person....now can't we?....I don't know I just don't have the heart to say that a person is unclean and not help them at all...
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