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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:21 pm
LadyBugLes chocokarma hmm. you know something interesting? i dont personally know any angels, you know why? because angels are souls, not spirits, no angel can make connection with anyone on our realm because they are souls, they exist in the world of heaven/hell the after life. Now, interacting with the spirits of said angels is possible, but never the angel themselves. wanna know why? because if that was so, then humans would be able to break the barrier and walk into heaven/hell without dying. Also, did you even read my explaination about the energies? eh? no? well then, that makes you an uninformed moron, because you dont have an open mind! You have to be open to the idea that not all energy is available to you, and that other people can use other energies better than you. get it? i fully admit i cannot use psyonic powers, its too different a type of energy. i use energy that is molded by words, sigils, and items, you use energy that is molded simply out of your ability to flow with the energy, i must draw on energy and then use it, you have it in you naturally, thats why Psyons are unable to match Magick users in their energy exploits. i can use power beyond you, but cannot use your types of skills. Get it? read the post right above your uninformed rant about how popular you are with the almighty angels of god. see just HOW wrong you are about the range of the Religions use of energy. You have violated the rules of this guild. Namely, the most basic of all of my rules: The Basics:
"If you are grouchy, irritable or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you."
And since we have no way to collect I will promptly feed you to a moat full of starving alligators that we keep outside the manor.
And since I don't have that yet, we will probably just ban you."
This is your first and only warning. As far as being in contact with the angels of Almighty God, if you have a problem with that, I suggest you pm me or yell at Him about it, because since I was 12 years old I have been in communication with my guardian angels and several others whether I like it or not. I don't have much of a choice in the matter, and the one time I asked to be left alone, (and got it), I became so lonely I begged to have the gift back again. I love them even when I don't like them or think I want to be normal. If no one can make contact with angels, how did Gabriel speak to Mary? Who wrestled with Jacob? Who released the apostles from prison in the Book of Acts? As for whether they are spirits or souls, I don't know. I know they are not humans, the deceased spirits of humans, and that they are an entirely different creature of God altogether from humans. I don't know what your source of information is, but you need to calm down, get control of yourself, and realize that you are talking to the owner of this guild. I still haven't gotten a straight answer from you in the introduction thread, and I want it immediately. I don't know how old you are or how experienced you are, or anything about you other than you make assumptions about me and angelics that you don't need to make. God is present in all faiths, but I do believe that his most perfect revelation of himself is in Jesus of Nazareth. I believe that Christianity is as close to the Truth as we can come on earth. I know from experience that most Wiccans aren't wiccans proper, i.e. Gardner's wiccans, and that while they are often very sweet people, they don't have a lot of spiritual power just because they like to grow fresh herbs in the backyard and pray to the mother goddess. It depends on the wiccan, and the natural (yes, I said natural) gifts that God has given that person. Every once in a while, you even find one that gets what little power they have from a minor demon, and it's always better to rely on the power of the One True God in these things. He responds better when you call Him by Name. As for archangels being the gods of other religions, the gods, while they do exist are still creatures of God, and are not to be worshiped any longer. The archangels are not gods. The gods are something entirely different and our early pagan gods were prototypes of a reality, lower in rank than archangels, and the real ones are still serving God the Father in realms of light. We know the Truth now, and we are not to dabble, even by proxy, in idolatry. Once again, you have broken my rules. You have been warned. Do not do it any longer. umm. you dont understand do you? SOULS ARE NOT ABLE TO INTERACT WITH HUMANS!!! SPIRITS DO! SO THOSE ANGELS YOU INTERACT WITH ARE LYING! i am not flaming, you just simply dont understand the truth about the energies that exist in our realm. i am going to simply tell you what, i am in charge of a small team of magick and psyon users, who are of varying religions and i can tell you one other thing, any angelolgist will tell you that there are plenty of Archangels that match exactly, other religions gods. I know this because i have one on my team.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:54 pm
If what you are saying is true, how did Gabriel interact with Mary? How did the angels minister to Jesus in the desert? (He was fully human and fully God) How did the angels free the apostles from prison in the book of Acts? Who did Jacob wrestle with?
I'm waiting..
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:19 pm
The spirits that are connected to their souls, sure. In the case of jesus, he was Purely human, and Purely divine, he connects both with soul and earth.
Spirits where hijacked by the angels to comunicate with humans when need be, but thats a high risk and high danger to the spirit, thats why they stay to themselves, i actually know the technique that the angels would use, in fact, i could use it to contact you if i knew where you lived, i wouldnt do it though, because it would damage the spirit.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:40 pm
chocokarma The spirits that are connected to their souls, sure. In the case of jesus, he was Purely human, and Purely divine, he connects both with soul and earth. Spirits where hijacked by the angels to comunicate with humans when need be, but thats a high risk and high danger to the spirit, thats why they stay to themselves, i actually know the technique that the angels would use, in fact, i could use it to contact you if i knew where you lived, i wouldnt do it though, because it would damage the spirit. Would you can to define what you mean by souls? You seem to be working out of a different dictionary.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:04 am
souls= life spark
spirit= mind
body=body
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:23 pm
chocokarma souls= life spark spirit= mind body=body So Gabriel had to hijack a "mind" to communicate with Mary? What the hell are you talking about? Are you saying that they had to "borrow" someone off the street and use their body (similar to possession?!?) to conduct their mission given to them by God the Father? That doesn't strike me as very angelic. As for your sources, I'd love to know who these heads of theology, etc are and just exactly who deemed them experts. You still haven't put your entry in the introductions thread. This is my fourth and last request.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:36 pm
sorry bout the profile, its just what i needed to get in right?
and, no, not possesion, spirit= mind, they walk around us, well not in that sense, but their realm overlaps ours. so a soul, in this case an angel, can just pick one that is walking around, and use it to contact. its not without its positive effect on the spirit, the goodness of the soul, or evil, rubs off on the spirit.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:19 pm
chocokarma sorry bout the profile, its just what i needed to get in right? and, no, not possesion, spirit= mind, they walk around us, well not in that sense, but their realm overlaps ours. so a soul, in this case an angel, can just pick one that is walking around, and use it to contact. its not without its positive effect on the spirit, the goodness of the soul, or evil, rubs off on the spirit. I think your information is bad. Cracked, even. I suggest you read our tutorial forum in great detail. And yes, only the information on your app. I'd also like to know your sources sources. The differences between your information and historical Christianity's...not to mention my experience... is vast.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:26 pm
LadyBugLes chocokarma sorry bout the profile, its just what i needed to get in right? and, no, not possesion, spirit= mind, they walk around us, well not in that sense, but their realm overlaps ours. so a soul, in this case an angel, can just pick one that is walking around, and use it to contact. its not without its positive effect on the spirit, the goodness of the soul, or evil, rubs off on the spirit. I think your information is bad. Cracked, even. I suggest you read our tutorial forum in great detail. And yes, only the information on your app. I'd also like to know your sources sources. The differences between your information and historical Christianity's...not to mention my experience... is vast. i study religious history, but my conviction here is all about the energies of all. there are laws for the flows and use of energies, and those cannot be broken, because they define reality. and my experience is vast. i have become an exorcist simply because its what i do, i never needed the title, i have done this job for just over, oh, i have been studying and my first exorcism was at the age of ten, and it was pretty advanced if i say so myself, a demon i rate as teir four out of twelve. thirteen is reserved for Satan himself. and when its your first exorcism, a teir four is rather tough. most average demons are rank three, two mostly, but the rare occasion of a higher rank come through, not that i let most of the gates to hell in NJ stay that unprotected. summoned through black magicks are the only ones i hate to deal with, having to determine the demons summoned name is a b***h. i am Seventeen now, and i have been doing this for seven years, recently becoming semiprofessional, charging just enough to cover my damage to materials and cover replacing my spell seals with their special ink and paper. but thats about, twenty five is the most i have had to charge, and thats cuz my shirt caught fire cuz i was an idiot and backed into the incense. ouch... but yeah...
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:58 pm
Since you're a proud Roman Catholic, you won't mind me asking you several questions and demanding answers.
1) Does your priest know about your exorcisms? Under what authority do you do these exorcisms? How do you manage this without apostolic succession? Do you know what apostolic succession is?
2) Give me scriptural backing for your view of angels. Particularly, your idea that they cannot communicate with humans without abusing some other spirit. Since you're a roman catholic, I will even settle for some writing by one of the early church fathers or a pope, even a saint will do. Something other than the gray mists of your own thoughts.
3) For that matter, how the hell does a soul hijack a mind and where did you get these ideas? If you tell me "angelogy" one more time, I'm going to ban you. What angelogy? What book? What website? What university did this teacher of yours study at other than crackpot U?
4) Under what authority do you propose to go after "rouge angels? Wouldn't that be St. Michael's job?
5) If you want to come after my guys, I wish you the best of luck. You're going to need it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:58 pm
1: my local priest does know, in fact, he refers all exorcism requests to me cuz unless certain prerequisite factors are applied, he is not authorized to perform exorcism.
2: Tis impossible unless you want me to find the biblical passage speaking of soul spirit and body...
3: hes the teacher of theology at CCM.. .oops County College of Morris.
4: the authority of the one and only person who knows where the secret of the holy grail is hidden. *tis a long story, but the secret of the grail is hidden in avalon, i need to reawaken avalon to find where the grail is hidden.*
and if i come after your guys, its cuz their malicious spirits. other than that, unless they are bothering you, i dont see why i would need to.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:50 pm
*steps in to find this whole discussion*
Listen, I don't know WHERE you got your information, but it seems very flawed. The Bible itself prives you wrong, I'm sorry. Choco, please stop acting like a moron to Les, she KNOWS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. Also, may I please kindly request that you learn to spell? It hurts my brain, my eyes, and my bordering-on-grammar nazi personality.
I must say that you have some rather odd information. Technically, I think (Les, correct me if I'm wrong please) that angels are souls, as Choco said, but if you want to get technical, spirits are just souls of departed humans. They're just different kinds of souls than angels. If you want to get even more nitty-gritty, the Holy Spirit isn't a human spirit (that I know of, I could be VERY wrong, though Biblically, He/She/It's the Spirit of the Lord) and yet the Holy Spirit interacts with many people every single day. technically, a spirit, but still very much "up there" with the angels, even if the definition of angels as souls DOES ring true. Also, I'm sorry, but I found one final flaw in your explanation: Astral projecting. Isn't that the soul leaving the body? And yet some people can definitely sense that person's soul and communicate with it, if only through a dream. So, I'm very sorry, but your "souls can't talk to humans without possessing a spirit, or mind, or [whatever else you want to call it]" theory is false.
PS: I strongly recommend not messing with "Les's Guys". You don't want to make enemies like that, I'll warn you of that. I don't even know fully what that title entails (except at least one archangel), but... long story short, messing with them is not recommended. At all.
Another PS: Forgive any typos, my mind was moving way faster than my hands, and after having finished several virtual high school assignments, I may miss a few typos.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:44 pm
Quote: chocokarma 1: my local priest does know, in fact, he refers all exorcism requests to me cuz unless certain prerequisite factors are applied, he is not authorized to perform exorcism. I'd like the name of your bishop, please. If your priest is sending a minor in after what he believes are demons, at bare minimum he needs an a** chewing from a man in a miter. You also didn't answer my question about apostolic succession. Quote: 2: Tis impossible unless you want me to find the biblical passage speaking of soul spirit and body... Quote: I'd love that. Quote: 3: hes the teacher of theology at CCM.. .oops County College of Morris. What are his sources for this? You might want to check up on that. You do appear to be citing a guy who teaches at a community college like he's an expert. Does he have a p.h.d.? 4: the authority of the one and only person who knows where the secret of the holy grail is hidden. *tis a long story, but the secret of the grail is hidden in avalon, i need to reawaken avalon to find where the grail is hidden.* How do you propose to do that? Quote: and if i come after your guys, its cuz their malicious spirits. other than that, unless they are bothering you, i dont see why i would need to. They're only malicious spirits when you awaken their considerable wealth of sarcasm... or try to attack someone who doesn't need attacking.
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