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 Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:33 pm
Problems with your arguement
-Existence of the person in question is irrelevant.
-The Bible "created" this character.. therefore it is the main source of information about him.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:36 pm
Crawleymang~ Why are your words in quotes... are you presently quoting yourself? Anyway back on subject. There is proof Jesus existed. Just like when they found his tomb. Just like when they found the hill he was crucified on. As far as God that's another matter. But.. whether he existed or not isn't the point. What is the point is that he came from parents who were based in the middle east. So while I can't pinpoint what he is.. I certainly can pinpoint what he isn't.. And that is a man with blue eyes. "Dont mind the qoutes, its habbit" "and maybe i am?" whee "In response to your tomb and hill theory.Just a tomb and a hill....and you know for jesus to exist, it would be neccisary to prove god exists...that cancles out jesus right there" XD "and yea, if anything i really would want to say that jesus had a screech from safe by the bell afro, and maybe brown eyes....probably a beard as well..." "but why would the son of god be confined to one race?or one perticular appearance..."
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:40 pm
Crawleymang~ Problems with your arguement -Existence of the person in question is irrelevant. -The Bible "created" this character.. therefore it is the main source of information about him. Problems with your argument 1:There is only one referance to the character in perticular.If he was really there, or really important there would be more.Probably ones that had evidence as to who wrote them, credible writers, rather then a bunch of guys that may or may not have existed that hung out with this fella. 2:Christianity, the religion based around jesus was used to supress servants and towns people.Go head and check history. Youll notice.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:40 pm
::pipes in::
Deity has no doubt that there was a Jesus Christ...but he wasn't the son of God. =P
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:41 pm
Those things are irrelevant.
Understand this...
Harry Potter doesnt exist.. or there's no known truthful existence of him.. However.. in the book they describe him right? (I've never read it.. I'm assuming)
But the book created the character.. and so it is the most reliable source for information about him and what he looks like.
The same thing applies with the bible. Whether Jesus existed or not is irrelevant.. but since the bible "created" the character of Jesus.. it is the authority on what he looks like.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:42 pm
jesus living and dying isn't a debate, ever. nobody that isn't ignorant or trying to be hip and discount all mystic faigh/belief/religion/uppercut ever debates that jesus lived. wether he did his miracles and resurrected, is a whole different thing. but jesus lived- like reiko said, his tomb was found. if he was there... fine. but i doubt he was because of how the story goes, so... wether he crawled away, or was exhumed... things like that are the debate.
it's not neccesary to prove god exists, to prove that jesus did. i don't know where you got that from. you could at least approach more intelligently and say that mary and david were lying about her being a virgin, and pulled some major wool over everyone's eyes.
jesus looked as he did because he was born in the middle east. people from the middle east look a certain way, like native icelanders and native aficans look as they do.
i'm pretty atheist and haven't read the bible past the kiddie versions [which i actually enjoyed reading], but damn.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:43 pm
The Fierce Deity ::pipes in::
Deity has no doubt that there was a Jesus Christ...but he wasn't the son of God. =P That's irrelevant to the subject of "what does he look like."
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:43 pm
The Fierce Deity ::pipes in::
Deity has no doubt that there was a Jesus Christ...but he wasn't the son of God. =P Now theres a response i can agree with xp {And by the way fella, i wasnt arguing his looks} {Your probably right about that.I just hate the fact the bible is used as fact when really theres nothing holding it as fact.}
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:46 pm
turnipgod {And by the way fella, i wasnt arguing his looks} {Your probably right about that.I just hate the fact the bible is used as fact when really theres nothing holding it as fact.} I'm using it as fact to describe what he looks like. Because even if he didn't exist.. the Bible brings up him as a character.. so it is the authority on what he looks like. I'm well aware of the way Christianity and the book has been misused. But that's irrelevant to the subject I'm addressing.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:46 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:47 pm
Monseiru X jesus living and dying isn't a debate, ever. nobody that isn't ignorant or trying to be hip and discount all mystic faigh/belief/religion/uppercut ever debates that jesus lived. wether he did his miracles and resurrected, is a whole different thing. but jesus lived- like reiko said, his tomb was found. if he was there... fine. but i doubt he was because of how the story goes, so... wether he crawled away, or was exhumed... things like that are the debate.
it's not neccesary to prove god exists, to prove that jesus did. i don't know where you got that from. you could at least approach more intelligently and say that mary and david were lying about her being a virgin, and pulled some major wool over everyone's eyes.
jesus looked as he did because he was born in the middle east. people from the middle east look a certain way, like native icelanders and native aficans look as they do.
i'm pretty atheist and haven't read the bible past the kiddie versions [which i actually enjoyed reading], but damn. "In order for the jesus the bible presents to exist {The one that he is backing, and you are too.} God would have to exist.Other wise all the information is flawed.That is my point." "Gather that befor you call me unintelligent" "As for the a man named jesus existing.Very plausible, and yes he probably did look middle easter...but i wasnt arguing his looks because that is fact.If he was born there he would look the part." "unintelligent...pfft.." wink
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:48 pm
That was directed at Turnip, Crawley...Deity doesn't really care to argue about what Jesus looked like. xD
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:49 pm
Well I certainly can't prove that God exists.
But nay-sayers can't prove that he doesn't.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:50 pm
Crawleymang~ turnipgod {And by the way fella, i wasnt arguing his looks} {Your probably right about that.I just hate the fact the bible is used as fact when really theres nothing holding it as fact.} I'm using it as fact to describe what he looks like. Because even if he didn't exist.. the Bible brings up him as a character.. so it is the authority on what he looks like. I'm well aware of the way Christianity and the book has been misused. But that's irrelevant to the subject I'm addressing. "Then a agreement has been reached" "And my sperate debate has been shot down" -Tear-
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:51 pm
Crawleymang~ Well I certainly can't prove that God exists. But nay-sayers can't prove that he doesn't. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
[Boondocks. Huht.]
And I'm PM'ing Clash in a few, with a few serious reasons why.. this tournament isn't going to finish, unfortunately. It may as well be ended now, the way it's currently going. =P
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