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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:51 pm
Clark~Kent Yours is pretty much written in the history books, right?
Or did a Crisis change that? xd Ah've killed you once. Or did a Crisis change thet?
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:51 pm
Clark~Kent Ms. Selina Kyle ...deserve a continued existence? We are talking about Jason Todd.
But I like Jason Todd. I like Superman. I don't care for Bucky's return. There are a lot of characters that are less deserving of living(Or having their name carried on) than Jason Todd.
I can't think of any right now, but thats due partly to the problems I'm dealing with at home. My problem comes with calling a fictional character "deserving" of anything. What matters is: -how it's done -why it's done -how the character was killed in the first place -how bringing the character back effects the story in the greater whole Jason Todd, to me, is a character with far more value dead. Bringing him back was done to serve as a plot device for Batman, and then thrust into a whole other scenario. I can't say I think he's had any real positive impact overall for returning. I don't think it's negative, but him being alive doesn't add anthing special to the DCU. I'm not necessarily saying that they shouldn't ever bring him back, but I do think that people should think long and hard before the kill someone and before they return them. Plot isn't served by cheapening those scenarios. It's the reason no one cares when a character dies. The emotional impact is gone. Bucky was an interesting case because when they brought him back, he was basically a nonentity. Captain America would brood over him once in a great while, but otherwise his existence was known but not acknowledged. It was a nonissue. Moreover, when you talk about characters "deserving" to live or die, you're putting an arbitrary moral stamp on a plot device. Does the Joker deserve to live? Well no, not in the real world. But in the context of the Batman story, he does.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:53 pm
Chris Powell Actually, I think Brubaker has handled Bucky's return very well. Maybe that's because I'm a Marvel fanboy tho. xp Marvel or no, it was a fantastic story by itself. Brubaker is a very good writer, he takes concepts that can seem incredibly weak from the outside glance and turn them into phenominal stories. There aren't a lot of writers right now out there in the industry that can do that.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:54 pm
Ms. Selina Kyle Clark~Kent Ms. Selina Kyle ...deserve a continued existence? We are talking about Jason Todd.
But I like Jason Todd. I like Superman. I don't care for Bucky's return. There are a lot of characters that are less deserving of living(Or having their name carried on) than Jason Todd.
I can't think of any right now, but thats due partly to the problems I'm dealing with at home. My problem comes with calling a fictional character "deserving" of anything. What matters is: -how it's done -why it's done -how the character was killed in the first place -how bringing the character back effects the story in the greater whole Jason Todd, to me, is a character with far more value dead. Bringing him back was done to serve as a plot device for Batman, and then thrust into a whole other scenario. I can't say I think he's had any real positive impact overall for returning. I don't think it's negative, but him being alive doesn't add anthing special to the DCU. I'm not necessarily saying that they shouldn't ever bring him back, but I do think that people should think long and hard before the kill someone and before they return them. Plot isn't served by cheapening those scenarios. It's the reason no one cares when a character dies. The emotional impact is gone. Bucky was an interesting case because when they brought him back, he was basically a nonentity. Captain America would brood over him once in a great while, but otherwise his existence was known but not acknowledged. It was a nonissue. Moreover, when you talk about characters "deserving" to live or die, you're putting an arbitrary moral stamp on a plot device. Does the Joker deserve to live? Well no, not in the real world. But in the context of the Batman story, he does. As far as context goes for bringing back Jason Todd in Batman, I thought it was a good storyline. It was great seeing a Robin go bad and if anyone of them would, it would have been Jason. I enjoyed seeing in GA too. My only problem to date with Jason being back is what they did with him countdown, and also how they brought him back.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:54 pm
Jonah Hex Clark~Kent Yours is pretty much written in the history books, right?
Or did a Crisis change that? xd Ah've killed you once. Or did a Crisis change thet?
Indeed it did.
But at the same time I guess that me could still be dead somewhere out there. Still existing, dead. The rules for that... excursion weren't very well mapped. Time travel and Alternate Universes with new never before seen effects.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:55 pm
Ah don't think on things like thet.
::lights a cigarillo::
Ah'm more concerned wi'f more immediate things. Like where the redeye is.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:56 pm
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:57 pm
Ms. Selina Kyle Chris Powell Actually, I think Brubaker has handled Bucky's return very well. Maybe that's because I'm a Marvel fanboy tho. xp Marvel or no, it was a fantastic story by itself. Brubaker is a very good writer, he takes concepts that can seem incredibly weak from the outside glance and turn them into phenominal stories. There aren't a lot of writers right now out there in the industry that can do that. I'm actually enjoying Brubaker's work on Daredevil more than anything else he is doing. I feel extremely lucky that my favorite hero has enjoyed a fantastic run of stories between Bendis and Brubaker.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:57 pm
((I wore my Rainbow Brite shirt yesterday, Greta, and a woman at the sub shop told me it made her feel like a little girl again. xd ))
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:00 pm
Chris Powell Ms. Selina Kyle Chris Powell Actually, I think Brubaker has handled Bucky's return very well. Maybe that's because I'm a Marvel fanboy tho. xp Marvel or no, it was a fantastic story by itself. Brubaker is a very good writer, he takes concepts that can seem incredibly weak from the outside glance and turn them into phenominal stories. There aren't a lot of writers right now out there in the industry that can do that. I'm actually enjoying Brubaker's work on Daredevil more than anything else he is doing. I feel extremely lucky that my favorite hero has enjoyed a fantastic run of stories between Bendis and Brubaker. Oh how I know the joys and pains of having that man write your favorite hero title...
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:01 pm
((I was just about to ask if you ever got it, and if it was the right size >_< ))
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:02 pm
Batman said Jason Todd's return didn't change anything... Just thought I'd say that. So his return doesn't cheapen his death at all. At least not to Batman.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:02 pm
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:02 pm
xBruceWaynex As far as context goes for bringing back Jason Todd in Batman, I thought it was a good storyline. It was great seeing a Robin go bad and if anyone of them would, it would have been Jason. I enjoyed seeing in GA too. My only problem to date with Jason being back is what they did with him countdown, and also how they brought him back. It was a good idea, but I can't say it was a good story. I thought it was poorly executed and poorly resolved.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:04 pm
Jonah Hex Ah don't think on things like thet. ::lights a cigarillo:: Ah'm more concerned wi'f more immediate things. Like where the redeye is.
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