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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:46 pm


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Okay, so life has really sucked lately. A lot of it's internal, though some of it isn't just me being... me. Anyway, I'm on this gender issue kick where I can think of almost nothing else. I am confused and hating my body and wanting to just be understood, but also wanting to understand myself (which would have to come first, now wouldn't it?), so yeah. I started going to a trans support group last week. It's the 2nd and 4th Monday of the month. It was good listening to people, but I felt like I couldn't talk. Mostly my being shy, but also my not wanting to explain myself. Of course, that just meant that everyone there probably assumed I'm a pre-op FTM, which isn't the case. They assumed I'm a guy and I'm not just that, but at least it's better than assuming I'm a girl (at least right now). I want to be seen as a guy really really badly, but with people who are also trans and more able to accept that I'm a guy it'd be really nice for them to see that I'm not just a guy, but something else entirely. I feel like the world at large forces me into the woman/girl/female box and that night at the support group I was forcing myself into the man/boy/male box. I can't win, it seems. I will have to talk at the next meeting and let everyone know a bit more about me and explain that I'm genderqueer and hopefully they'll get it.

But yeah, with the gender thing wanting to be more on the masculine side I've been having some body issues. (Nothing new there, of course.) I want THESE THINGS to go away so I can have a nice male chest. But the thought that I might some day switch back and want to be more feminine again makes me worry about ever doing anything as permanent as top surgery. So anyway, I ordered myself a binder from underworks (because Ace bandages are so bad for you and I thought I should have a better alternative since I'm binding every day now). Also bought myself a proper packer, so yeah... that's good. They should both be arriving in the mail some time this week. The sooner the better, I say.

Anyway, I think that's enough ranting for the moment, I can't focus on the negative ALL the time!


1. Read this.
2. What's a packer?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:50 pm


A packer is a p***s prosthesis. Good for making the proper bulge in the trousers. I'm not sure if they have any other purpose. I haven't looked into them that much yet.

Nios


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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:58 pm


So it's been a while since I've even looked int his guild, and I figured now was as good a time as any to update you all.

With how much ranting I did here in the past, I wanted to apologise. It was kind of stupid of me to bring mental issues not directly(or even indirectly) related to sexuality or gender stuff, which is what this guild is for. I made a big mess out of everything because I didn't know what I was, what I wanted, or how I wanted people to treat me because of that.

I also was one of those people who thinks they're handling stress pretty well, but just bottles it up all inside, anyway. Point being, sometime around the "genderqueer =/= transgender" debate, I read through a ton of articles in Wikipedia.

I spent hours upon hours reading it, and learning all about genderqueer, transgenders, gays, bis, asexuals, and some heterosexual stuff. I also learned indirectly that someone in Russia prevented World War 3 by ignoring equipment that told him the US were sending him the bomb(which was of course was a malfunction, but no one knew that at the time). The information was classified until 1998!

Anyway, back on topic. I was clicking all the related article links in Wikipedia, and I came across ANdrogyne.(which is what I linked in my previous post)
Since then, I've pretty much embraced that that's what I am.
About the time I finally came out and said "Hey guys, I'm really a girl"(which was actually pretty tough, lol) I started to fully embrace this androgyne thing.

I was so happy about it I started explaining it everywhere and telling everyone "Hey, I'm really a girl! I just like to pretend to be a guy, sometimes" which probably made a lot of people confused or think ill of me, but whatever.

I also searched "androgyne" on the internet and found this cool internet shop that sells t-shirts saying "What sex will I be today?"
Finally the stress of thinking whether I am like Nios or like Jovo is gone, and I'm happy and embracing it all.

Some days I want to act all girly, and I do it now without resentment because it's normal for me. And somedays I want to be a boy, so I will just not shave that day and pull on the guy, and people go with it.

A long, long time a go, when I first joined this guild, we were talking about the ideal person to have sex with(or just love, or something). I said "The top of a man on the bottom half of a woman." Astri yelled at me for saying I was so close to liking little girls- I remember it very vividly.

Because I could never really find the ideal body type I wanted to whack(Haha), I just figured that maybe I was asexual. But that wasn't true at all; I just wanted other androgynes.

So basically this is me saying sorry for before and letting you know I'm doing great, no more identity crises. And thank you for being there when you were, and for having this guild, and not making it boring.

If it were not for this guild being so free to talk about things like beer, sex, drugs, and the basis of sexual/gender identity I would have never got to where I was so sure and proud of myself today. Thank you so much.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:02 pm


Nios
A packer is a p***s prosthesis. Good for making the proper bulge in the trousers. I'm not sure if they have any other purpose. I haven't looked into them that much yet.


That's got to be weird to wear. Does anyone really look at how much your packing, anyway? I only do it when I'm insanely bored. Unless you wear insanely tight pants all the time, I don't see why you'd need a packer?

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Elder


Nios

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:05 pm


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Finally the stress of thinking whether I am like Nios or like Jovo is gone, and I'm happy and embracing it all.

Somehow being referenced that way makes me think I'm supposed to find that slightly offensive or something, but really it made me giggle.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:06 pm


I think packers are difficult to get used to but after awhile they feel so natural as if they were always supposed to be there. Or so I've heard. I've never tried packing. I don't examine people's crotches that often so I don't really know if they're necessary or not. I don't think packers are as necessary for ftm's as tucking is for mtf's.

Nios


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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:13 pm


Eh, my notion is just to wear baggy pants. Then no one can tell what's going on down there.

But I guess if you were ftm and got an erection, that would suck. X|
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:26 pm


I like to wear baggy pants but eventually after I take T for awhile I'm hoping my hips will slim down and I can wear tighter trousers because tight jeans on guys is hot.

Nios


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Elder

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:30 pm


That's true but wearing them is uncomfortable. At least for me, anyway.

Wearing something that fits is uncomfortable. It's got to be baggy. XD
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:45 pm


I find baggy trousers to be more comfortable usually.

Nios


Vague
Captain

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:57 pm


Nios
A packer is a p***s prosthesis. Good for making the proper bulge in the trousers. I'm not sure if they have any other purpose. I haven't looked into them that much yet.

I think you're supposed to be able to pee standing up with some of the more complicated ones.
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I also was one of those people who thinks they're handling stress pretty well, but just bottles it up all inside, anyway. Point being, sometime around the "genderqueer =/= transgender" debate, I read through a ton of articles in Wikipedia.

Just remember that it's all contributed by users, you have to take a lot of stuff with a grain of salt. Do you have an editor account?
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I spent hours upon hours reading it, and learning all about genderqueer, transgenders, gays, bis, asexuals, and some heterosexual stuff. I also learned indirectly that someone in Russia prevented World War 3 by ignoring equipment that told him the US were sending him the bomb(which was of course was a malfunction, but no one knew that at the time). The information was classified until 1998!

You don't remember when they revealed that? People talked for days about how it was scary.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:45 am


Er yes that is also true Vague. I don't think they can all do that though. I know the really expensive ones look and feel really realistic.

Nios


friscalate

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:31 pm


Nios

When I came home I found a newspaper article sitting on my chair. It's titled "A choice of boi or grrl." The article talked about the increase of transsexual and transgendered youth. It's quite obvious that my mother left it for me as no one else in my house knows about me. I'm happy that she's taking me seriously and taking the time to think about what it means for me to be a transsexual. I didn't quite like the article though. It seemed to have a view that acts of transgenderism in youth is often a form of rebellion or purely for self expression rather than the health problem it is.

I don't know much about people participating in trans acts for self expression but I know that for me it's simply being myself. I am trans and I'm not on and off about it. I don't wake up feeling like a girl some days and a boy others. I'm all boy. I want to medically transition.


I read that article as well. While I don't agree fully with it (or with anything, ever, but anyway...) I think it was an interesting read. I can see where you're coming from as a transsexual, but not all transgender people feel that way. I am not trans only because it's a gender rebellion, but that is part of it, too. I am definitely rebelling against ideas that gender=sex or that sex determines gender 100% of the time. I am rebelling against the binary. Why are there only two options, and why are we forced into only one of those? Gender is so fluid for me but culture/society tries to tell me it shouldn't be that way. I am not a boy or a girl, I'm genderqueer, but most people have a hard time wrapping their minds on it, so yes, I want to use my gender as self expression sometimes to tell others that gender isn't as straightforward and binary as they might think it is. With that said, you don't have to be like those trans people who think of gender this way (obviously). Some trans people want to transition, some don't. Everyone's different. A lot of people are very comfortable with being a certain sex, whether that is their birth sex or not. A lot of people are very comfortable with having one set gender identity. But I myself don't want to be boxed into one sex or gender, I want the freedom to be myself in any way I see fit. That might mean getting top surgery but not bottom surgery to have some aspects of a traditionally male body and that may mean putting on make up when I wear a suit. Who knows? I think my point is lost somewhere in all this rambling, which isn't meant to be directed at you by any means, Nios. I'm just ranty and rambly a lot of the time. Anyway, I guess my point is that you may not identify with the individuals in the article, but their identities are as real and meaningful as yours. They may not be transsexual and want to change their bodies, but instead are trangender and want to express their trans-ness in other ways. Um, anyway, hi, I'm long winded and boring, sorry!

And to make this even longer, let's address some other things people have said in here - I personally wear a packer because I like the feeling that there's something down there. I don't want people to see my bulge, necessarily (though that might depend on the situation, I suppose), it's really only for personal comfort. I used to pack with a rolled up pair of socks, but it's nice to have something with a more realistic shape and feel.

And yes, there do exist some devices that are meant to be used for urination, they are actually called STPs (Standing To Pee devices). I haven't seen any personally that are meant to be worn as a packer, only things such as The Whiz, which I find quite... interesting.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:43 pm


I think you may have slightly misunderstood me. I completely understand that there are many many people like those that were spoken about in that article. The only thing I didn't like is that they only spoke about those transgendered people and not simple transsexual people. Even that isn't a bad thing. The article only bothered me because I feel it might have offered my mother a false hope of having a normal daughter who is just going through a phase. I'm not gender fluid or able to be a girl in some way as well as a boy. I wish I was.

Yeah sorry about being ignorant about packers. But I do know that they are for feeling natural. I think I would enjoy that feeling. I'll most likely get one eventually.

Nios


friscalate

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:49 pm


Nios
I think you may have slightly misunderstood me. I completely understand that there are many many people like those that were spoken about in that article. The only thing I didn't like is that they only spoke about those transgendered people and not simple transsexual people. Even that isn't a bad thing. The article only bothered me because I feel it might have offered my mother a false hope of having a normal daughter who is just going through a phase. I'm not gender fluid or able to be a girl in some way as well as a boy. I wish I was.

Yeah sorry about being ignorant about packers. But I do know that they are for feeling natural. I think I would enjoy that feeling. I'll most likely get one eventually.


As with any such article, the author is going to focus on only a limited view. But yeah, I guess you'll have to explain to your mother that the article wasn't about transsexuals like yourself, but other types of trans people.

As for the packer, it was weird to get used to the weight of it, as opposed to my former sock roll, and I think it would be pretty traumatic if it were to fall out, but other than that it's really nice. It seems a little weird to be talking about the niceness of a fake p***s between my legs but um... yeah, it is.
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