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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:15 pm
You can't ask that of him if you aren't willing to do the same.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:17 pm
Invisible Monsters You can't ask that of him if you aren't willing to do the same. Normally, I would. But, that's for people I respect and care about. Since I've been in this guild, Q has time and again, lashed out at me, for reasons he refuses to share with me. And, at this point dude, I'm pretty just fed up trying to be friends with him. If he wants me to respect his space, as I said, all he has to do is ask me in a civil manner. Then, at that point, I'll do as asked.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:19 pm
Matiko-san Normally, I would. But, that's for people I respect and care about. Since I've been in this guild, Q has time and again, lashed out at me, for reasons he refuses to share with me. And, at this point dude, I'm pretty just fed up trying to be friends with him. If he wants me to respect his space, as I said, all he has to do is ask me in a civil manner. Then, at that point, I'll do as asked. That's not how it works. You can't annoy someone into apologizing.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:22 pm
Invisible Monsters Matiko-san Normally, I would. But, that's for people I respect and care about. Since I've been in this guild, Q has time and again, lashed out at me, for reasons he refuses to share with me. And, at this point dude, I'm pretty just fed up trying to be friends with him. If he wants me to respect his space, as I said, all he has to do is ask me in a civil manner. Then, at that point, I'll do as asked. That's not how it works. You can't annoy someone into apologizing. I don't want an apology. I want him to ask me to respect his space himself. That's all I want.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:28 pm
Matiko-san I don't want an apology. I want him to ask me to respect his space himself. That's all I want. I'm going to break this down in the best way I know how. I don't want you to get offended, okay? What you want is for Q to respect you, am I right? For the sake of this post, lets assume that I am. He won't respect you until you give him a reason to. Doing things that bother him is not going to accomplish that, it will only annoy him and make him lash out more. Your mode of thinking seems to consistently follow that pattern. That is why so many people got upset at you before. Now, I talked to you. I know you're not that bad. Please rethink what you are doing and your reason's behind it. You are obviously older than Q. Act like it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:36 pm
Invisible Monsters Matiko-san I don't want an apology. I want him to ask me to respect his space himself. That's all I want. I'm going to break this down in the best way I know how. I don't want you to get offended, okay? What you want is for Q to respect you, am I right? For the sake of this post, lets assume that I am. He won't respect you until you give him a reason to. Doing things that bother him is not going to accomplish that, it will only annoy him and make him lash out more. Your mode of thinking seems to consistently follow that pattern. That is why so many people got upset at you before. Now, I talked to you. I know you're not that bad. Please rethink what you are doing and your reason's behind it. You are obviously older than Q. Act like it. Thanks for your concern dude. I'm talking to Vague about it right now anyway. Vague'll come to decision about what to do, and that'll be the thing I respect. BTW Ryan, how come yer not on AIM? Don't wanna talk to me sad
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:44 pm
rejectanonymity I just started reading about gender my last semester in school when all my gender stuff came to a head. But if you are going to read about gender, Kate Bornstein is reallyreally good, as is Leslie Feinberg. biggrin I'll have to take a look at them, especially considering I just discovered--thanks, Keithing!--I apparently fit the definition for genderqueer. 3nodding [Q] Note that pretty much JoVo, Cats, and Ryan(Invisible Monsters) are the only people who can touch me without freaking out - and that only when I'm in a good mood. Yay! But you'll have to ask me to hug you, or I'll ask you before I do. You don't have a temper meter like I do, so it'll be hard to tell when the time isn't right. Keithing As for the gay republicans, I can see how political platform becomes more important than the aspect of sexual orientation or gender identity. Politics is the culmination of all those bits and pieces that make up people and put them in the public eye as positions, statements, bureaucracy. It's true. Nevertheless, gay Republicans are Uncle Tom's in the flesh. They are like the Jews who decided joining their Nazi oppressors in torturing their brothers and sisters was preferrable to being tortured themselves. There's a good spectrum between the two allusion and the analogy, and we can each place gay Republicans where we think they fit. But they remain, despite our attempts at understanding, traitors and thieves. Matiko-san Q: Oh, that's sad to hear yer not touchy-feely, but oh well, get over it ^_^. But punch me again, and I'll demand your removal from the guild? Okay? Thanks. Hug him again, and he is in the right to recommend yours. This is an old problem: Does someone have the right to defend themselves against affection if they find affection violating? The answer? As uncommon as it may be for affection to be taken that way, Q is justified. Q, like every one of us, has the right not to feel violated. If you violate him, then he has the right to defend himself. You may respond with: "But I didn't know?" I will respond that you didn't ask, either. You cannot assume that everyone is okay with your affection. I, for instance, really dislike it when you get affectionate with me sometimes. It makes me uncomfortable. For Q, it's the equivalent of rape. You would have known if you asked whether you could do something before you did it, but you didn't. You simply assumed that hugging is something everyone enjoys, and you were wrong, and you got punched because of it. I'm posting this hear because it is a helpful reminder to all of you that this isn't a reaction isolated Q. While Q's feelings may be unique in the grand scheme of things, their bases are not. Some of us don't feel comfortable with certain amounts of affection, especially when we don't know they person who is giving it. Not all people are natural huggers. I'm not, and Q is quite obviously not. This should be kept in mind always. Also, Q, you might be better off if you something to the extent of "hug me and I'll hit you" or something in your signature. That way no one can claim that they didn't know.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:53 pm
JoVo rejectanonymity I just started reading about gender my last semester in school when all my gender stuff came to a head. But if you are going to read about gender, Kate Bornstein is reallyreally good, as is Leslie Feinberg. biggrin I'll have to take a look at them, especially considering I just discovered--thanks, Keithing!--I apparently fit the definition for genderqueer. 3nodding [Q] Note that pretty much JoVo, Cats, and Ryan(Invisible Monsters) are the only people who can touch me without freaking out - and that only when I'm in a good mood. Yay! But you'll have to ask me to hug you, or I'll ask you before I do. You don't have a temper meter like I do, so it'll be hard to tell when the time isn't right. Keithing As for the gay republicans, I can see how political platform becomes more important than the aspect of sexual orientation or gender identity. Politics is the culmination of all those bits and pieces that make up people and put them in the public eye as positions, statements, bureaucracy. It's true. Nevertheless, gay Republicans are Uncle Tom's in the flesh. They are like the Jews who decided joining their Nazi oppressors in torturing their brothers and sisters was preferrable to being tortured themselves. There's a good spectrum between the two allusion and the analogy, and we can each place gay Republicans where we think they fit. But they remain, despite our attempts at understanding, traitors and thieves. Matiko-san Q: Oh, that's sad to hear yer not touchy-feely, but oh well, get over it ^_^. But punch me again, and I'll demand your removal from the guild? Okay? Thanks. Hug him again, and he is in the right to recommend yours. This is an old problem: Does someone have the right to defend themselves against affection if they find affection violating? The answer? As uncommon as it may be for affection to be taken that way, Q is justified. Q, like every one of us, has the right not to feel violated. If you violate him, then he has the right to defend himself. You may respond with: "But I didn't know?" I will respond that you didn't ask, either. You cannot assume that everyone is okay with your affection. I, for instance, really dislike it when you get affectionate with me sometimes. It makes me uncomfortable. For Q, it's the equivalent of rape. You would have known if you asked whether you could do something before you did it, but you didn't. You simply assumed that hugging is something everyone enjoys, and you were wrong, and you got punched because of it. I'm posting this hear because it is a helpful reminder to all of you that this isn't a reaction isolated Q. While Q's feelings may be unique in the grand scheme of things, their bases are not. Some of us don't feel comfortable with certain amounts of affection, especially when we don't know they person who is giving it. Not all people are natural huggers. I'm not, and Q is quite obviously not. This should be kept in mind always. Also, Q, you might be better off if you something to the extent of "hug me and I'll hit you" or something in your signature. That way no one can claim that they didn't know. *sighs* You know what...I'm fed up. I'm leaving. You all are the most misanthropic group of people I have ever met. I'm sorry if my family's raised me to be an affectionate, caring person. But that doesn't mean any of you have the right to tell me to change because it makes you all uncomfortable. I have had to deal with a lot of s**t from people in this guild that made me uncomfortable, but did I complain? Did I physically attack anyone? No. I may have argued, but I've never ever punched, slapped, pinched, mauled, or physically hurt any of you. If you don't like my affectionate behavior, then stay away from me. That simple. And, with that said, I'm through with the matter, and this guild. Good Night.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:02 pm
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:27 pm
Whoa. Okay, Matiko, I don't know if you're still here to read this -- I may end up PMing you, if you're not. We are in a messege board. No, that doesn't give someone the excuse to intimate whatever actions they choose, but no one has really physically harmed you. I realize that the concept of someone wanting to harm you can be disturbing, but here you and Q are in the same boat -- and you should be understanding. Your family raised you to be an "affectionate, caring person?" Good. It's certainly true in my family that physical contact was always a healthy and encouraged part of showing affection. However, as a truly "caring" person, you should understand that not everyone sees it that way. No one has asked you to change your feelings when it comes to physical intimacy; you have only been asked to respect the feelings of others. If anyone has asked anyone to "change" it has been you: Matiko-san Q: Oh, that's sad to hear yer not touchy-feely, but oh well, get over it ^_^. I'm sorry that you feel that you have been personally ostracized by the Guild, but the truth is that you haven't. No one has held you to any standards different than those which apply to everyone else. I find it frustrating and offensive that you continue to claim otherwise.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:42 pm
That sucks. As much as I love hugging others, I'm on Q's side, Matiko. You made the simple mistake of hugging him and he punched you. Meh, so what? It's the internet. Your life is not lived here, it is lived in the real world.
Basically, you should have just simply ignored Q's punching. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:56 pm
Matiko-san Republicans are anti-gay. But that's just me. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. What an incredibly ignorant statement. Pell Yeah, it's true that Republicans are all about family values. That's not true either!!! And who said family values were incompatible with gay life? JoVo Nevertheless, gay Republicans are Uncle Tom's in the flesh. Bad grammar AND generalizing persecution. You never cease to amaze me. JoVo As uncommon as it may be for affection to be taken that way, Q is justified. Q, like every one of us, has the right not to feel violated. If you violate him, then he has the right to defend himself. Justified may be too strong a word. Mati's been here long enough, to know better, but it might be nice to warn the people who aren't aware before starting in with the violence. After all, Q, you did show your parents the consideration of asking them to stop, and held off on hitting them until they ignored the initial request. JoVo Q, you might be better off if you something to the extent of "hug me and I'll hit you" or something in your signature. That way no one can claim that they didn't know. I was going to suggest this also. And if it's in your sig, you'll have me on your side in future incidents. In this case, I thoroughly disapprove of the hugging, the hitting, AND the refusal on both sides to exchange apologies. Asthmaboy Basically, you should have just simply ignored Q's punching. sweatdrop That's asking a bit much. By the same token, shouldn't Q ignore the hug? I need to talk to JoVo and Q fairly urgently. Phone will do if you can't manage AIM. Otherwise, I'll have to think of something... *sigh*
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:11 pm
Matiko-san I didn't know the gold "used to pour in". It poured in because I had time to make much ado about nothing here all day during the summer and winter breaks. The polls and zealots in the ED made it that much easier. Now, I'm here all the time, which I definately don't mind. Who needs to spend their time trying to arguing when you can hang around here and have some actual conversation? Edit: Being the idiot I am, I never read the rest of the post before responding. This is getting incredibly annoying. As much as I hate anyone being offended, someone has to suck it up. Who is going to be the better person and just compromise? These are only actions that take place in a virtual plane, as in they didn't actually happen. Roleplays shouldn't be this seriously. There's no reason for the any of these hypothetical things that should have been done. Matiko could have asked and he didn't, Q could have warned everyone properly, but he didn't. Both boundaries of comfort were broken so can we just call it even? This place is suppose to be a haven free of tension, not a battleground. JoVo: True, in a way they have become hypocrites in some sense of the word, but it takes all types, right? There are always going to be those that jump over to the other side when their own motives are fufilled or they have strong disagreements with their current companions. Is it opportunism or re-evaluation?
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:04 pm
Matiko-san *sighs* You know what...I'm fed up. I'm leaving. You all are the most misanthropic group of people I have ever met. I'm sorry if my family's raised me to be an affectionate, caring person. But that doesn't mean any of you have the right to tell me to change because it makes you all uncomfortable. I have had to deal with a lot of s**t from people in this guild that made me uncomfortable, but did I complain? Did I physically attack anyone? No. I may have argued, but I've never ever punched, slapped, pinched, mauled, or physically hurt any of you. If you don't like my affectionate behavior, then stay away from me. That simple. And, with that said, I'm through with the matter, and this guild. Good Night. sad It's your decision. I'm not AIM because I'm heading out for dinner. Edit-ish: I thought I entered this text before I left, but apparently I didn't. I'm sorry.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 9:07 pm
Vague Asthmaboy Basically, you should have just simply ignored Q's punching. sweatdrop That's asking a bit much. By the same token, shouldn't Q ignore the hug? Ah yes, duh...
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