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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:01 pm


Er, I was saying gangs would get more power because the gangs can buy guns in bulk at better prices and hand them out to their members.
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The only thing that i think would work is the stratagy that was used in the case United States vs Miller

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:03 pm


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I don't understand how that helps, though. Outlaws will still be able to get guns, but the general public won't. So, for instance, store clerks won't be able to protect themselves if some guy tries to push over the 7-11 they work at.

I mean, sure it'll make handguns harder to get, and perhaps make them a bit more expensive, but that will give more power, especially in big cities and such, to gangs and criminals who don't mind going the illegal way to get a gun.

Personally, I've always wanted to go to a shooting range and try my hand with handguns. I love shoot-em-up arcade games like Police Acadamy. I don't know what it is, but I don't like rifles and such so much.

I'll answer this when I get home. Going out for dinner!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:06 pm


But, even then, you can't ban guns because of the second amendment. Even if you exploit the wording.

Guns arn't dangerous. Only people are dangerous. A gun is only as evil as the person who holds it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:11 pm


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I don't understand how that helps, though. Outlaws will still be able to get guns, but the general public won't. So, for instance, store clerks won't be able to protect themselves if some guy tries to push over the 7-11 they work at.

I mean, sure it'll make handguns harder to get, and perhaps make them a bit more expensive, but that will give more power, especially in big cities and such, to gangs and criminals who don't mind going the illegal way to get a gun.

Personally, I've always wanted to go to a shooting range and try my hand with handguns. I love shoot-em-up arcade games like Police Acadamy. I don't know what it is, but I don't like rifles and such so much.

I'll answer this when I get home. Going out for dinner!
Ooh, enjoy!

If this is going to become extended, maybe we should make a thread in the Guild GD forum. 3nodding
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:40 pm


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Police and specific people will have permits for them obviously however even right now you need a permit for EVERY gun that you own. Including rifles.

Amazing piece of machinery or not they're friggin' dangerous and there's no need for anyone beyond a law official (RCMP Officer, Police Officer etc.) to have one.


Thats a state by state thing. Here in NC you can buy a rifle or shot gun on the spot and do not need any sort of paper work.

Law enforcements can only do so much. Take this scenario for instance. We all knwo that if you take guns away form the people, the criminles will most asuredly still have theirs. HOnost peopel how ever will not have a fire arm in their house, and criminles will rely on this

A burgler breaks into a home. Th eowner of the home confronts him. The brugler pulls a gun on the man. The burgler then proceeds to eaither shoot or rob the man blind while he stands there and watches. The man is unable to contact the police, and if he is its assurd that by the time the police arrive the burgler will be gone.

Now, if that man had a gun, he could prtect his house and call the police, mackign the burgler sit there untill they arrive.

I'll say it again. Guns are not dangerous. People are.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:32 pm


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Hmm, well, can you change your screenname? I don't know much about IM's, so I'm thinking that might help, a little. Until they all come to your door, but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Not without losing my list. They come to my door while I'm at school I'll tear off their nuts, and if they do it while I'm home... my dad has guns.


Ooh well that's good to know!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:39 pm


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I don't understand how that helps, though. Outlaws will still be able to get guns, but the general public won't. So, for instance, store clerks won't be able to protect themselves if some guy tries to push over the 7-11 they work at.

I mean, sure it'll make handguns harder to get, and perhaps make them a bit more expensive, but that will give more power, especially in big cities and such, to gangs and criminals who don't mind going the illegal way to get a gun.

Personally, I've always wanted to go to a shooting range and try my hand with handguns. I love shoot-em-up arcade games like Police Acadamy. I don't know what it is, but I don't like rifles and such so much.

I'll answer this when I get home. Going out for dinner!
Ooh, enjoy!

If this is going to become extended, maybe we should make a thread in the Guild GD forum. 3nodding

Alright let's try this again. XD

Basically in Canada there's aren't a lot of people with handguns anyway so it's not the same as in America where you go "Oh well what if someone..." then various senarios because chances are that the person wouldn't own a handgun. LOTS of people own rifles however. There are quite a few people here in Canada that still hunt and fish for food, not as a main diet of course but you know what I mean.

Other than that banning handguns would reduce the amount of handguns available to not just the general public, but criminals as well. There would no longer be an opportunity for people to buy handguns legally and then sell them illegally, there wouldn't be anymore people stealing legally bought handguns etc.

Also, not that this is a MAJOR problem here but I'd like to point out the fact that the kids involved in the Columbine shooting bought all the guns that the used completely legally.

Now would this stop EVERYONE? No, but it would stop a lot of people. If they wanted to commit something like a school shooting it would be a lot more difficult to get a rifle into school then a handgun.

For the gang thing it wouldn't really give them a whole lot of power. Allowing gang members to get ahold of guns easier won't reduce crime.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:46 pm


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Beware the Jabberwock

Police and specific people will have permits for them obviously however even right now you need a permit for EVERY gun that you own. Including rifles.

Amazing piece of machinery or not they're friggin' dangerous and there's no need for anyone beyond a law official (RCMP Officer, Police Officer etc.) to have one.


Thats a state by state thing. Here in NC you can buy a rifle or shot gun on the spot and do not need any sort of paper work.

Law enforcements can only do so much. Take this scenario for instance. We all knwo that if you take guns away form the people, the criminles will most asuredly still have theirs. HOnost peopel how ever will not have a fire arm in their house, and criminles will rely on this

A burgler breaks into a home. Th eowner of the home confronts him. The brugler pulls a gun on the man. The burgler then proceeds to eaither shoot or rob the man blind while he stands there and watches. The man is unable to contact the police, and if he is its assurd that by the time the police arrive the burgler will be gone.

Now, if that man had a gun, he could prtect his house and call the police, mackign the burgler sit there untill they arrive.

I'll say it again. Guns are not dangerous. People are.

Guns can misfire and kill something, they're quite dangerous. And guns locked up by themselves aren't dangerous, no, however a person with a gun is a LOT more dangerous than a person without one.

If a armed person comes into the house and is threatened they're a LOT more likely to shoot than if the person isn't armed. A person coming to rob your house with a handgun is likely not to think twice about shooting someone and if the person is acting aggressive towards the robber they're even less likely to think about it.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:49 pm


The only purpose of having a gun is to use it against someone, or some animal, violently.

I just don't get the appeal. Being able to kill with a little weapon has some sort of a draw?

It just... I don't know. Guns aren't something I find useful or conducive to society.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:10 pm


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The only purpose of having a gun is to use it against someone, or some animal, violently.

I just don't get the appeal. Being able to kill with a little weapon has some sort of a draw?

It just... I don't know. Guns aren't something I find useful or conducive to society.

xd I find it funny that the two Canadian's agree about guns and the American's agree about guns but we don't agree with each other. Definite cultural difference.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:18 pm


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Basically in Canada there's aren't a lot of people with handguns anyway so it's not the same as in America where you go "Oh well what if someone..." then various senarios because chances are that the person wouldn't own a handgun. LOTS of people own rifles however. There are quite a few people here in Canada that still hunt and fish for food, not as a main diet of course but you know what I mean.
The situation is Cannada is much diffrent then in America. Also, a hand gun and a rifle are two very diffrent peaces of machinery, used in diffrent way, to obtain the same goal. Rifle can be large and bulky, and are not as easly stored or kept nere. Incase of a break in, a peron would have to grab his rifle (most likely form a locked gun safe) load it and heft it up, all in the process mackign quite a bit of noise, allertign how ever broke into their house. Possibly the only gun that would work in this scenario is not a rifle, but a shot gun. Most likely a 12 gauge pump action with the shortest barrel legaly available.

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Other than that banning handguns would reduce the amount of handguns available to not just the general public, but criminals as well. There would no longer be an opportunity for people to buy handguns legally and then sell them illegally, there wouldn't be anymore people stealing legally bought handguns etc.
No, they would obtain them illigly and sell them illigly. Banning guns would only make illigle gun possesion higher and worseand would also increase the outlets for illgile weaponry.

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not that this is a MAJOR problem here but I'd like to point out the fact that the kids involved in the Columbine shooting bought all the guns that the used completely legally.
Those kids didn't buy the guns, they stole them from their parents. The problme here was not guns, it was people.

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Now would this stop EVERYONE? No, but it would stop a lot of people. If they wanted to commit something like a school shooting it would be a lot more difficult to get a rifle into school then a handgun.
It would only stop the honost people. School shootign won't stop either. If a kid realy wanted a gun, he'd find one, escpecialy in this contry.

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For the gang thing it wouldn't really give them a whole lot of power. Allowing gang members to get ahold of guns easier won't reduce crime.

Again, here, it not the guns that are the problem. Its the people. Even if you make handguns illigle these kids will still have guns

ANd the biggest problem is that, in America, you can't make any type of fire arm illigle.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:23 pm


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Guns can misfire and kill something, they're quite dangerous. And guns locked up by themselves aren't dangerous, no, however a person with a gun is a LOT more dangerous than a person without one.

If a armed person comes into the house and is threatened they're a LOT more likely to shoot than if the person isn't armed. A person coming to rob your house with a handgun is likely not to think twice about shooting someone and if the person is acting aggressive towards the robber they're even less likely to think about it.


A robber is more likely to shoot if he's caught? You just validated my point. If the person they are robbing has a gun as well, they stand a chance. If no gun, no chance.

The chance of a gun, especialy the ones made today, misfiring is only if its handled improperly. Thats why we have gun safty coarses.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:29 pm


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The only purpose of having a gun is to use it against someone, or some animal, violently.

I just don't get the appeal. Being able to kill with a little weapon has some sort of a draw?

It just... I don't know. Guns aren't something I find useful or conducive to society.

I don't hunt or attack people. For me if I have a lot of stress and I can't go dancing or horseback riding I go down to a shooting range and fire. Only reason I want to have the concelled carry is because I've been raped twice (three times if you count just penetration and the guy doesn't orgasm as rape) and I'd want to basically blow the guys balls off.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:31 pm


Beware the Jabberwock
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The only purpose of having a gun is to use it against someone, or some animal, violently.

I just don't get the appeal. Being able to kill with a little weapon has some sort of a draw?

It just... I don't know. Guns aren't something I find useful or conducive to society.

xd I find it funny that the two Canadian's agree about guns and the American's agree about guns but we don't agree with each other. Definite cultural difference.

XD

Definitely, definitely.

Although, hell, you and me are both so far-left, it's crazy.

I never realized how right-wing Canadians are. It's kinda crazy.

I get in arguments in Law class, because of my 'overtolerance' for criminals.

Apparently, it's better just to stab them, and let them bleed to death like a stuck pig.

"They're not people" after all.
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