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 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:17 pm
I'm a writer and I don't use a sex-theme in my stories(not like i've ever finished one).And I've done several rps(and again never finished). And I've done cyber once out of ignorance. I say go for it,somewhere private and away from curious eyes. Put it somewhere where they just don't happen to come past it. There maybe many older people(I'm 16 in case your wondering), but there are younger kids here. I have a relative on here who's under 10,or 11. Too young to read that, no matter what you say. It's fine if private, away frompeeping eyes, both parties say okay, and not against ToS of the site it's on. that's my two cents in the pot as well.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:24 pm
Souno Yes, Kotou, that's a great way of looking at it, but the key thing that you all have to pull form what she said is that it was private. What people do when no others can see/hear/read them, is up to the people who are involved. You should all let them make their decisions when they are going to be discrete about it, but I do agree with the original statment in this forum that people who break the Terms of Service (TOS) should be banned from the guild. There are guilds for people who possibly want to get "physical" with each other in a Role-Play environment, and they should be left to do that there. However, generalizing and saying that you are going to try and 'weed out' cybering, or ban it permanently is the same situation we are facing at a national level right now. Most people on Gaia keep their cyber-sexual relations to Private messages. To be revealed, the moderators of this website would have to infiltrate their 'Private' messages and acquire evidence of their actions pertaining to a cyber-sexual relationship. It is no different than tapping a phone line to spy on supposed 'terrorists' who are supposedly in our country. To attack and ban all cybering is, technically, an attack of our Freedom of Speech that is guaranteed by out Bill of Rights. I'm not saying that that is a defense that any people who partake in public cyber activities should take, because it is much the same as trying to have intercourse at a McDonald's. You would be asked to leave, and told not to return. So is it here where people, and yes, children could look at what is being posted at any time and be revealed to a whole world that they most likely aren't prepared for. Keep this in mind when you are formulating the rest of your arguments. Thank you. I quite agree with the ideas behind your post, however, I feel that I should point out that some of your statements are incorrect: first, when you say that the mods or admins looking at our PMs would be like tapping our phones or looking at our mail, this is not correct: tapping someone's phone is, unless you have a court order, illegal, but PMs on a privately owned site have no such protection. The people that own the site -- Gaia -- have every right to do with them as they wish. The First Amendment, likewise, does not apply on any privately owned website. For some reason, many people seem to think it does, but in any privately owned, non-goverment funded environment, the First Amendment is not applicable -- this includes most of the web, which many people are unaware of.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:42 pm
I have to agree quite heavily with Kotou on most points. In my eyes, cybering =/= sex. It is not a public act, but in private, you can do it for whatever reason you wish. So long as all parties consent, it is perfectly allowable, and not immoral. Saying anything otherwise, in my own opinion, is simply forcing your own beliefs on another.
That said, that is all in private. Once someone brings it out into public, we start having other issues. You're not allowed to have sex in public, and since cybering =/= sex, you can't cyber in public either. And, quite frankly, it straight up breaks the TOS. If anyone is caught doing it, they should be banned from life. Since that isn't legal, either, banning from the guild is probably a good place to start.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:02 pm
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I guess my view on cybering is like my view on a lot of things - what people decide to do in private is their own business, as long as no one gets hurt. In public, however, it's a different matter.
On a site where the userbase is supposed to be 18+ or something, I'd have no problem with cybering - I wouldn't be interested in taking part, but I'd have nothing against those people who did. However Gaia's TOS clearly state that the users should not post any content above PG-13. So, cybering on Gaia = bad. It's possible (even highly likely) that underage kids will see it, and I don't think that's right. ||||||||||||||||
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:51 pm
Fenrir SongMoon I have to agree quite heavily with Kotou on most points. In my eyes, cybering =/= sex. It is not a public act, but in private, you can do it for whatever reason you wish. So long as all parties consent, it is perfectly allowable, and not immoral. Saying anything otherwise, in my own opinion, is simply forcing your own beliefs on another. That said, that is all in private. Once someone brings it out into public, we start having other issues. You're not allowed to have sex in public, and since cybering =/= sex, you can't cyber in public either. And, quite frankly, it straight up breaks the TOS. If anyone is caught doing it, they should be banned from life. Since that isn't legal, either, banning from the guild is probably a good place to start.
I just don't think people who post in the forums "BoYZ N GuRlZ cybur ParTY HERE" is anything to be allowed on Gaia. People don't need to see that, nor be a part of it, do something like that on your own site, on your own time, not when there are children around. Gaia is supposed to be a fun, safe, and above all CLEAN site so people can enjoy hanging out with friends and have responsible fun.
<3
The words most used here are Private, consent, and adult, things that should be concidered when using the word cyber, which brings me to another topic...
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:03 am
Absolutely. When you advertise, you're soliciting, and that's just not cool. It shouldn't be something where you just randomly find another person at any rate. Not only that, but as an adult, i'm afraid of people soliciting. Let's say that I end up getting tangled up in someone else's wiles, do something regrettable, and find out they're underage? You can get in serious trouble for that sort of thing.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:05 pm
Fenrir SongMoon Absolutely. When you advertise, you're soliciting, and that's just not cool. It shouldn't be something where you just randomly find another person at any rate. Not only that, but as an adult, i'm afraid of people soliciting. Let's say that I end up getting tangled up in someone else's wiles, do something regrettable, and find out they're underage? You can get in serious trouble for that sort of thing. And on that note I just banned colonialboy from the guild, and reported him for solicitation to cyber. A couple of things about PMs besides it being perfectly legal for the mods to look at it. 1) You never know when something you say even in private will become public, and you get reported for that. 2) It's banned in PMs not just because Gaia is PG13 as a rule, but because even though PMs are usually private, there are lots of people who send unwanted solicitations by PMs, and there are even more people who advertise or advise publicly on the forums to "just take it to PMs" - that brings it back into the public sphere again, affecting Gaia's image and the young people who come to Gaia. Seriously guys? Lots of email and chat programs are free. sweatdrop Why would you bother with a PG13 site if that was what you wanted?
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:41 pm
Don't forget the AOL and Yahoo chat rooms, those things were cesspits, cesspits!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:42 pm
True that, I apologize for being off-base on some of my defenses. I didn't intend for that to become a political debate.
Please accept my profuse apologies.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:48 pm
To some extent politics seep into everything, so it wouldn't be irregular for it to come up, I'll spare my governmental theories since i consider myself somewhat of a cynic, which is funny taking into consideration I usually go out of my way to help people.
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:52 pm
Same thing here, but I forgot after not being on gaia for a long time how people react to such things in these forums.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:46 pm
KaiTenSatsuma To some extent politics seep into everything, so it wouldn't be irregular for it to come up, I'll spare my governmental theories since i consider myself somewhat of a cynic, which is funny taking into consideration I usually go out of my way to help people. Maybe wanting to help people and being cynical of the government go hand in hand, because I'm like that too.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:58 pm
To a point cybering is okay.. But when you do it all the time and you seek people out to do it, it's wrong and disgusting.. I cyber.. I also screw people in real life.. I use cybering as a way of turning me on.. It's nice sometimes.. But sometimes it can get just plain annoying.. And I do agree in the banishment of it in sites where younger children can get to it and see it.. I think that's the problem with today's youth.. They are exposed to things that youth wasn't exposed to many years ago.. But hey, what do I know?? I'm only fifteen.. Right??
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:49 pm
Well technically you shouldn't go around telling people you're 15 and having sex in real life. xp
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:08 pm
KaiTenSatsuma Well technically you shouldn't go around telling people you're 15 and having sex in real life. xp Plenty of places where that's perfectly legal, you know. Though still, I tend to agree with you. . . .
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