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... You might not be able to choose who you are at birth. Or how you are raised, or all the other factors that go into your sexuality. IT DOES NOT MATTER, YOU HAVE A CHOICE! Chose God's will, how He intended you to be from the beginning. Homosexuality is a sin. Pure, simple and simple cut. There are scriptures to prove it, the number does not matter. It can say it only once and be clean cut, straight forward. I was bisexual. I changed for God, because I loved Him more then what I wanted. I loved Him enough to say "... I give my body to You now, take care of me, cleanse me and let me be Yours, Daddy." I chose my path. I chose my Father's way. I don't doubt it for a second.

So long as it's preaching and someone's listening. That's what counts.

Just like how murderers never choose to kill or Petophiles never choose to be attracted to children. Like people over weight can't help it, and like people who smoke not being able to quit. It's just one big load. Everyone has problems, everyone wants sympathy.



How about Jesus Christ, Paul, Simon Peter, and so on? Men who died for the Christian religion. How about all those who stayed faithful to the Islamic faith during the crusades and died for it? How about Adolf Hitler who died for his beliefs and as well killed others for theirs? Ya wanna a list of good and bad people who had more happen to them than simply being insulted and hurt than I can give it to ya brother.


Because they enjoy the company of the same gender as them. Maybe they enjoy making love in that fasion? I can't think of any good reasons to take away someones right to speech. But people have then taken away.


Now heres a little secret for her, she should look those people in the eyes and say, "******** you, your no better than me you hatful d**k."


And I'm sure there are hairy old men jacking off to little girls coming out of preschool thinking "What the hell is wrong with me?"


Your hiertage is somthing forced on you, not whether or not you like someone. Mental Retardation is somthing forced on them. Are you saying these people are equal to being mentally retarded? No? Okay then.


Good. I said one day, "Ya know I don't care if I'm fat. I won't make excuses and I won't blame others for it." Yet people want to force these theories that fat people can't help but be fat. Well thats some BS right there.


Once apon a night, black people expeiranced spite
That even happens today, but ya know thats ok
Because now blacks are making money, For their kids and honey
They are proud of their race, thats why they ahead in the race
Ya see if your friend is gay, she shouldn't care what people say
Just go along in life, feeling little strife
Make her money get her lady, buy a house adopt a baby
Cause if you care what people say, then you can't live your life in a peaceful way.

Yeah that didn't have good flow to it. But there ya go.

Personally, the scriptures and what they mean to individuals will change as time goes on, yes.

But when it comes down to it, analyzing a clear cut peice of scripture bit by bit and trying to find loop holes is just an excuse for ignoring the will of God. And you might not want to be homosexual, it can be differant things that attribute to that. If you love your God, your faith, He will help you to find a way to cut off those urges. You need to have the will power, the mind set that it's wrong, that God had a plan in the beginning for you.

Well as soon as it can be proven people are born homosexual, which as far as I know has not been, then I will conceive defeat in this matter. To answer with concrete evidence I have non what so ever. To be honest the idea of being born with a thing you can't help with is somthing doctors can tell as soon as they are born, like the obvious race and heritage, other other more serious matters like physical birth defects and mental retardation. At the same time I know people have fooled themselves into believing they can't do somthing no matter what or they can't help somthing. A prime example is people who believe they can't lose weight. I weigh over 300 pounds and know very well I can lose it, but instead of acting like others and make excuses I admit I like my current lifstyle and I'm not worried about th consequences of it. Like wise I think people who are homosexual hide behind the idea that they can't help but be that way when deep down they really enjoy that way of life better as it is, instead of bending it to fit others out looks. Which is somthing that I commend them on. My sister when she was between 14 to 16, and I can't say I'm not alittle uncomfortable saying this but I will anyways, tried the lifestyle of a homosexual to see if she liked that way as much or even more than the other way. I would also like to break down the term preference, like as in sexual preference. According to dictionary.com

Preference:

1. the act of preferring.
2. the state of being preferred.
3. that which is preferred; choice: His preference is vanilla, not chocolate.
4. a practical advantage given to one over others.
5. a prior right or claim, as to payment of dividends or to assets upon dissolution.
6. the favoring of one country or group of countries by granting special advantages over others in international trade.

Now if it is what you say we should change the term sexual preference to sexual restriction.



Oh I agree whole heartedly that debating is not a bad thing. It's interesting, it's challenging, and to some degree it's very enjoyable. I'm just stating that a religion that keeps falling from what it says and keeps rewriting the rules either needs one quick read through or needs to be dropped by those who disgree and either presue another that fits their outlook.



Everything you do effects your lifestyle, not just your sexual prefernce, but simply put you don't enjoy the company of a woman in that way as you would a man. I think either you misunderstood what I said just then about keeping a persons lifestyle. I ment it by making some changes in it, not completly restarting it over.



Either God gave yu or you developed. One of the two. Maybe God gave men the traits of being schizophrenic, or the traits of being hatful. Or maybe they developed those traits. Hell what am I saying there is no maybe about it. But as far as sacrificing them, I don't blame you because you should live your life the way you see fit to live it.



If it's to the above statement, I mean routines. Things that you are use to doing, but don't harm you and others in anyway. Maybe it's always getting up late to take a piss, or maybe it's simply being a flirt. Things people do in their lifestyles they become use, or addicted, to it.

To your bottom statement I won't worry about that, because according to your statment below



Makes me think, your right. We can go round and round in circles and never get anywhere if each of us is adament in out beliefs.



Acourse, but giving quotes from that link would help out alot instead of me skimming through it to find the point YOUR trying to prove.



Look forward to your reponse.

Erm for those who didn't look it up, and sense he wasn't kind enough to give a quote from it that verse states and I quote from a New American Standard

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abomination" The above verse speaks abut not giving up your children and not taking God's name in vain and the bottom verse talks about how you shouldn't have sex with animals.

But yeah now my mom walked in on me with a bible in my hands and started praising me for taking it more seriously. I can not find it in me that this was all in the sake of quoting a verse another neglected to quote XP.

This needs to stop guys! This thread is going no where and gives new comers to this guild and Christ a bad first impression of the nature of our Lord.

For CHRIST'S SAKE let this thread die!