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PrototypeHastur

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:46 pm


Dreamer NiGHTS
Greeting all. I recently dinged 70 with an affliction warlock, and have re-speced for a PvE/PvP build;

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warlock/talents.html?0502220512235115512010050000000000000000000505000010000000000000

This gives me abilities that increase my survivability and still kick a** in PvP.

However, since I plan to do casual raids with my guild (like Kharazan) I have recently come across this build which might be better for raiding;

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warlock/talents.html?0502220412230115512210000000000000000000000505000512200000000000

While I'm not to fussed about loosing a bit of PvP power, I would still like to be decent at it. And also in Solo PvE all 5 points in Fel Concentration realy help for when I loose agro off my void walker.

So right now I'm stuck between those two builds. If I were to ever do bigger raids, which spec would I be better off with?

I'd like to keep Improved Howl of Terror and Unstable Affliction, as they are two talents that have helped me stay alive so many times, I don't know what I'd do without them.


Affliction has big danger in raids because it is alot easier to be careless with your aggro than the controlling task of casting each individual spell. And if you are planning to do raids for your character, then Instant-howl of terror is useless. But if you are going to mix it up with some PvP, then Instant howl is alright.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IE0rVRfuVxfocxc0c

Try this build for raid oriented spec. The reason I find this spec better is that having more into Destruction. The extra buffing that demonology gives is much better for your affliction bonuses. And for raiding, you'll have an imp out more often than any other pet.

Another reason is that I took out Dark Pact because you already have improved life tap. Since you have a better way of gaining mana with Life tap, Dark Pact is a redundant skill. The same thing applies to improved soul drain. A redundant way to get mana, and instead get Supression.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0riRfuqxbobxZxx0z

This spec is a similar pvp/pve spec. Except this adds more destruction that Demonology. The same rules pretty much apply.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:13 pm


PrototypeHastur
Dreamer NiGHTS
Greeting all. I recently dinged 70 with an affliction warlock, and have re-speced for a PvE/PvP build;

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warlock/talents.html?0502220512235115512010050000000000000000000505000010000000000000

This gives me abilities that increase my survivability and still kick a** in PvP.

However, since I plan to do casual raids with my guild (like Kharazan) I have recently come across this build which might be better for raiding;

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/warlock/talents.html?0502220412230115512210000000000000000000000505000512200000000000

While I'm not to fussed about loosing a bit of PvP power, I would still like to be decent at it. And also in Solo PvE all 5 points in Fel Concentration realy help for when I loose agro off my void walker.

So right now I'm stuck between those two builds. If I were to ever do bigger raids, which spec would I be better off with?

I'd like to keep Improved Howl of Terror and Unstable Affliction, as they are two talents that have helped me stay alive so many times, I don't know what I'd do without them.


Affliction has big danger in raids because it is alot easier to be careless with your aggro than the controlling task of casting each individual spell. And if you are planning to do raids for your character, then Instant-howl of terror is useless. But if you are going to mix it up with some PvP, then Instant howl is alright.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IE0rVRfuVxfocxc0c

Try this build for raid oriented spec. The reason I find this spec better is that having more into Destruction. The extra buffing that demonology gives is much better for your affliction bonuses. And for raiding, you'll have an imp out more often than any other pet.

Another reason is that I took out Dark Pact because you already have improved life tap. Since you have a better way of gaining mana with Life tap, Dark Pact is a redundant skill. The same thing applies to improved soul drain. A redundant way to get mana, and instead get Supression.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0riRfuqxbobxZxx0z

This spec is a similar pvp/pve spec. Except this adds more destruction that Demonology. The same rules pretty much apply.


Actually I'd keep Dark Pact so that I can use my imp as a manna bank. And it doesn't reduce my health and put more strain on the healers. I've used my imp as a manna bank many a time, and it has really been useful. Why just earlier today Arcatraz (SP?) both the hunter and the shaman had tied. So all that was fighting on the final boss, who hadn't even got half of his starting health taken off, was me, the Tank (A prot warrior) and the priest who was healing. Took about 3 minutes, but we took him down. And all thanks to my imp and dark pact! If I had life tapped, the priest would have surely ran out of manna and we would have wiped.

I'll comment more on the other talents in a mo.

Nightmare Rider Kiva


PrototypeHastur

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:02 pm


Well, if you intend to use Darkpact, then get rid of improve lifetap. Evidently, I don't think it is worth the talents to gain more than one way to gain mana.

From my experience as a healer, I never healed the warlock, even when he was lifetapping. That's a mistake most healers do, heal the warlock. Good healers never heal warlocks unless they have the time and mana to do so. Even when I did heal my warlock friend, I threw a renew on him, that's about it.

If you're healer is healing you when you're lifetapping, just establish the fact that you don't need healing.

Another tactic is to Lifetap, then life-drain the health back as your form of healing.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:16 am


PrototypeHastur
Well, if you intend to use Darkpact, then get rid of improve lifetap. Evidently, I don't think it is worth the talents to gain more than one way to gain mana.

From my experience as a healer, I never healed the warlock, even when he was lifetapping. That's a mistake most healers do, heal the warlock. Good healers never heal warlocks unless they have the time and mana to do so. Even when I did heal my warlock friend, I threw a renew on him, that's about it.

If you're healer is healing you when you're lifetapping, just establish the fact that you don't need healing.

Another tactic is to Lifetap, then life-drain the health back as your form of healing.


But then, as I read on the WoW forums, it would decrease my overall damage. If I can keep shadow bolt spamming as well as re-stacking my DoTs then I can keep up the most damage. Plus even a renew does use some manna. And if I can dark pact my imp, it won't be needed. But assume my imp is dead and I need manna, that's when ILT comes in. it just allows me to be prepared for most situations.

Nightmare Rider Kiva


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:41 pm


I have a question, when I was playing World of Warcraft, I had a giant problem with spec-ing as a Warr. (4 months ago?) I went from Arms, to Fury, to Prot. I started as Arms, I kicked a** as Arms, 2k hk at like, level 29. Un-twinked, but getting back on topic, Arms, Fury, or Prot? They say you can't tank like a pro in Arms. >_< I kept all the gro on me ever since you could sunder in the Battle Stance, I've been able to keep the aggro off my priest friend. ((Note, I tank with a 2h-er. I know I should have a shield, but my 1hander is useless. xD ))
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:44 pm


I need a good warlock spec. I wanna be destruction. (No exeptions!)

Red the guide (or parts of it) linked in Soppons second post. Didn't really get anything though...

So, could anyone show me a good Destruction spec? sweatdrop

KTHXBAI!!1one

Zheyest


PrototypeHastur

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:03 pm


GHiv
I have a question, when I was playing World of Warcraft, I had a giant problem with spec-ing as a Warr. (4 months ago?) I went from Arms, to Fury, to Prot. I started as Arms, I kicked a** as Arms, 2k hk at like, level 29. Un-twinked, but getting back on topic, Arms, Fury, or Prot? They say you can't tank like a pro in Arms. >_< I kept all the gro on me ever since you could sunder in the Battle Stance, I've been able to keep the aggro off my priest friend. ((Note, I tank with a 2h-er. I know I should have a shield, but my 1hander is useless. xD ))


At lower levels, you can tank as any spec. But around levels 60+, it becomes a bit harder to tank as arms or fury, but it isn't impossible. One thing you have to be able to do is TRUST that the healer is good. The problem with tanking as anything but Protection, is that you tend to get hit alot more and a lot harder. Plus, the way you tank as a Fury or Arms warrior is a tiny bit different than Protection since you concentrate on DPS as well as Sunder Armor.

Although, You can't really tank in raids as a Arms or Fury. You have to be Protection in order to be MT in raids. You can get away with Arms or Fury tanking only in 5-mans.

It depends entirely on what you want.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:07 pm


Zheyest
I need a good warlock spec. I wanna be destruction. (No exeptions!)

Red the guide (or parts of it) linked in Soppons second post. Didn't really get anything though...

So, could anyone show me a good Destruction spec? sweatdrop

KTHXBAI!!1one


It depends on what you want to do.

If you raid/party alot, then this destruction spec is good.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IV0bZbxZxx0trhtVuAo

If you PvP more, then this one is better.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVZ0xZtx0trhtAuAo

PrototypeHastur


Zheyest

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:58 am


PrototypeHastur
Zheyest
I need a good warlock spec. I wanna be destruction. (No exeptions!)

Red the guide (or parts of it) linked in Soppons second post. Didn't really get anything though...

So, could anyone show me a good Destruction spec? sweatdrop

KTHXBAI!!1one


It depends on what you want to do.

If you raid/party alot, then this destruction spec is good.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IV0bZbxZxx0trhtVuAo

If you PvP more, then this one is better.

It's]http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVZ0xZtx0trhtAuAo
It's kinda lvling right now. But thanks a lot. xd Those wil probably serve better than my own guesses at least. xp
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:19 am


Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now.

Capitalist Revolutionary


Fasal

PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:43 am


Funkalicious_INK
Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now.

.... affiliction is good for Pvp because even thou you Sometimes die more often then a SL lock you take Alot more people with you. And you shouldnt diss other people cause they met be right and then you look like an a$$.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:43 pm


Funkalicious_INK
Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now.


You must be off your rocker if you think Soul Link is the ONLY thing that makes Warlock a good pvp class.

You must be a noob Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

PrototypeHastur


Capitalist Revolutionary

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:54 pm


PrototypeHastur
Funkalicious_INK
Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now.


You must be off your rocker if you think Soul Link is the ONLY thing that makes Warlock a good pvp class.

You must be a noob Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

No, you're terrible. Like, terrrrrriiiiible.

Soul Link isn't what makes Warlocks good, it keeps warlocks from being trash. The mitagation is gamebreaking, if you don't beleive that you're bad and should give NO ONE advice.

THE ONLY THING, that you should be doing on this forum is asking for help or leaving. You have no place to give advice.

End. Of. Story.
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:59 pm


Fasal
Funkalicious_INK
Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now.

.... affiliction is good for Pvp because even thou you Sometimes die more often then a SL lock you take Alot more people with you. And you shouldnt diss other people cause they met be right and then you look like an a$$.

One set of Dots might be able to kill nooby von nooberdon, but not anyone with a brain.


Try again.

Capitalist Revolutionary


PrototypeHastur

PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:29 pm


Funkalicious_INK
PrototypeHastur
Funkalicious_INK
Anything not involving Soul Link is stupid to PvP with as a Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

Maso is an unreliable source for Warlock talents, 1. That's from PRETBC, 2. He plays a warrior now.


You must be off your rocker if you think Soul Link is the ONLY thing that makes Warlock a good pvp class.

You must be a noob Warlock.

End. Of. Story.

No, you're terrible. Like, terrrrrriiiiible.

Soul Link isn't what makes Warlocks good, it keeps warlocks from being trash. The mitagation is gamebreaking, if you don't beleive that you're bad and should give NO ONE advice.

THE ONLY THING, that you should be doing on this forum is asking for help or leaving. You have no place to give advice.

End. Of. Story.


Warlocks are the best surviviors out of all of the cloth-wearing spell-casters. (Second to MAYBE holy priest) The key is stamina. They have a ton of it, and are meant to have so much of it, that they match warriors and paladins in terms of health. Soul-link only makes their stamina more efficiency, otherwise affliction warlocks then go on fear and drain life combo after DoTs.

Sorry to say, Warlock DoT's can kill almost anyone. Corruption, Immolation, Curse of Agony, Siphon Life, and top it off with Unstable Affliction, then there's nothing dispelers can do without taking heavy damage and silencing themselves so you can just reapply Unstable Affliction.

Plus, Instant howl of terror only increases Affliction warlock's survivability in both solo PvE and PvP scenerios.
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