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 Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:15 pm
Contingent ...If God knows what happens at every moment, and to God, the future can be recalled like the past, then your choices are already determined... Maybe this really isn't moving forward. But God's knowledge in the past is determined by your choice in the future. Therefore, it was determined by your own free choice.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:18 pm
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:19 pm
Response to double post... xp
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:21 pm
Gah, double postish, thing, sorry! Quote: Well... yeah, it won't move forward if you continue to post the same thing. Quote: But God's knowledge in the past is determined by your choice in the future. Therefore, it was determined by your own free choice. Yes, I said that I agree that your choice determined God's knowledge, but that still doesn't mean that it was ever possible for you to ever make a different choice if God knows what you will do.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:26 pm
Contingent Gah, double postish, thing, sorry! Quote: Well... yeah, it won't move forward if you continue to post the same thing. Oh, good. I thought you were trying to make some kind of point by doing that... xd Quote: Quote: But God's knowledge in the past is determined by your choice in the future. Therefore, it was determined by your own free choice. Yes, I said that I agree that your choice determined God's knowledge, but that still doesn't mean that it was ever possible for you to ever make a different choice if God knows what you will do. But what you are saying is circular: Your choice determined God's knowledge ... and then ... God's knowledge determines your choice Your choice can be made however you decide, since that choice will then determine what God knows in the past. No matter what choice you make, it will always correspond with God's knowledge. Therefore, you can make any choice that you want.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:50 pm
PreacherBoy But what you are saying is circular: Your choice determined God's knowledge ... and then ... God's knowledge determines your choice Your choice can be made however you decide, since that choice will then determine what God knows in the past. No matter what choice you make, it will always correspond with God's knowledge. Therefore, you can make any choice that you want. I never said that God's knowledge determines your choice. If whatever you do corresponds with God's knowledge... Then God's knowledge corresponds with whatever you do.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:13 am
i think god knows us well enough to know exactly how we're going to react to a sitution. So he knows excatly what choice we're going to make.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:44 am
The Master Muggle i think god knows us well enough to know exactly how we're going to react to a sitution. So he knows excatly what choice we're going to make. So he knows that we're not going to make any other choice. So there is a 0% probability that we'll make any other chance.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:48 am
Contingent The Master Muggle i think god knows us well enough to know exactly how we're going to react to a sitution. So he knows excatly what choice we're going to make. So he knows that we're not going to make any other choice. So there is a 0% probability that we'll make any other chance. We dont fulling understand God. We dont know if he is ever caught off guard by something. We just dont know for sure. But I do say He is all knowing, and knowing of all.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:58 am
Ri-san We dont fulling understand God. We dont know if he is ever caught off guard by something. We just dont know for sure. But I do say He is all knowing, and knowing of all. If He knows all, then He is never caught off guard. "We don't understand" is an evasive answer.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:02 am
It is. But it's also true. Trying to explain God in human terms is like trying to explain humanity to a beagle.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:05 am
Contingent Ri-san We dont fulling understand God. We dont know if he is ever caught off guard by something. We just dont know for sure. But I do say He is all knowing, and knowing of all. If He knows all, then He is never caught off guard. "We don't understand" is an evasive answer. sorry, what i said didn't make sence. Lemme revize that. We dont full understand God, we dont know for sure whether He can be caught off guard or not. We dont have God's brain.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:06 am
Abortion is murder. Plain and simple.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:10 am
I think it's logically impossible to be caught off-guard when you're omniscient. It's like forgetting that remember everything. Quote: Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. What's that? Abortion is malicious killing, possibly in the heat of passion? Quote: Trying to explain God in human terms is like trying to explain humanity to a beagle. Or a bagel. But we can still decipher some things with logic.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:16 am
Contingent I think it's logically impossible to be caught off-guard when you're omniscient. It's like forgetting that remember everything. Quote: Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. What's that? Abortion is malicious killing, possibly in the heat of passion? Quote: Trying to explain God in human terms is like trying to explain humanity to a beagle. Or a bagel. But we can still decipher some things with logic. If the one being killed has no defense, then thats murder. Im not sure of what the "legal" def. of murder is, but abortion is killing a defenseless embryo/baby.
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