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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:08 am
Lelas Dude, I'm really glad that someone is finally starting to say what I've been too afraid to. Yeah, the consciousness comes very late in the fetal developmental stage. Still, it's there before the kid's born. And I've always thought that we as pro-choicers valued consciousness as the final requirement for a human being. MipsyKitten You're using very emotionally charged words to describe something you disagree with. Don't stoop to the level of the antis. Yes, it was bad, but we don't know what was going through her head. It's not yours, or anyone else's place to judge unless you have all the facts, which you never will. Try saying that about a woman who just killed a five-week-old baby. We don't know what was going through her head? Fine, but she's still a murderer. This particular situation might not perfectly fit the technical definition, but goddamn! The day it was to be born, dude. That's a fully-formed human child that is in fact conscious, regardless of its location. No, it didn't have the right to live off of its mother, but she had five months or so AT LEAST to come up with a solution. Yeah, I feel sorry for her, but she did make a mistake. I won't up and say she's a horrible person, because no, I wasn't the one in this situation. But then, lots of people get off on pleas of temporary insanity. What she did was wrong, and I think we as choicers need to admit that. It was irresponsible and wrong. Feel sympathy for the woman, but don't try to justify what she did. Quote: Me personally, I feel nothing. If I was forced to remain pregnant, and everything I tried to induce a miscarriage failed, I would probably shoot myself in the stomach too. But you'd do it before the day it was to be born, ne? Syhereangel Yet, just because I believe that people have a choice, doesn't mean I believe that if at the very last minute, I woman decided she wasn't happy with a child, she can shoot it, and be done it. That, I will not agree with. And this is what I've come to believe. Yes, women have the right to control what goes on in their bodies. However, they also have the responsibility to abort the fetus before it turns into a conscious child. Anybody remember my Great Abortion Compromise? No? Oh, that's right, you forgot all about it because it's a compromise--and so many of you are so damn intent on getting every little thing you want out of a situation that you refuse to listen to reason. I love intelligent people.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:10 am
..Le Chat du Noir.. This is kinda getting off the topic again- we're here to be amused, entertained, and to laugh at rearrangements and "corrections." Let's get back to it, especially the "laughing" part. You guys can set up a little thread outside to talk about it though! 3nodding Although I am the one who brought up this subject again, I do agree with your statement. The point of my original post on the topic was to make sure I wasn't the only one who believed in morals, and not just "rights" and "choice". As selfish as it sounds, and is, I am appeased with what I originally wanted to know, and am more than willing to let this conversation drop.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:23 pm
 Original New  Happy birthday to you then! heart
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:24 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:17 pm
Toga! Toga! I'm an unusual pro-choicer. xd I'm planning to sprog out, and I'm still pro-choice.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:52 am
Wheee, so ADMIRE MEH RERAS! HAHHA!! heart
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:45 pm
"We'll decide for you what's right and what's wrong" Lovely heart
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:59 pm
I just saw that quote on the PRO-LIFE banner, and the first thing I though was,
Wow, that's accurate of them.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:04 pm
..Le Chat du Noir.. I just saw that quote on the PRO-LIFE banner, and the first thing I though was, Wow, that's accurate of them.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:33 pm
Wait, it really said that? Exact words?
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:05 pm
See the larger text at the bottom? That's is the ONLY DAMN PART I EDITED. THE only. THE ONLY!
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:18 am
..Le Chat du Noir.. See the larger text at the bottom? That's is the ONLY DAMN PART I EDITED. THE only. THE ONLY! XD Lovely, I must say...*stretch* Maybe I should bust out the old image editors and do some myself....If I ever get around to the, ya know, not being lazy stage sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:03 pm
Lelas Dude, I'm really glad that someone is finally starting to say what I've been too afraid to. Yeah, the consciousness comes very late in the fetal developmental stage. Still, it's there before the kid's born. And I've always thought that we as pro-choicers valued consciousness as the final requirement for a human being. MipsyKitten You're using very emotionally charged words to describe something you disagree with. Don't stoop to the level of the antis. Yes, it was bad, but we don't know what was going through her head. It's not yours, or anyone else's place to judge unless you have all the facts, which you never will. Try saying that about a woman who just killed a five-week-old baby. We don't know what was going through her head? Fine, but she's still a murderer. This particular situation might not perfectly fit the technical definition, but goddamn! The day it was to be born, dude. That's a fully-formed human child that is in fact conscious, regardless of its location. No, it didn't have the right to live off of its mother, but she had five months or so AT LEAST to come up with a solution. Yeah, I feel sorry for her, but she did make a mistake. I won't up and say she's a horrible person, because no, I wasn't the one in this situation. But then, lots of people get off on pleas of temporary insanity. What she did was wrong, and I think we as choicers need to admit that. It was irresponsible and wrong. Feel sympathy for the woman, but don't try to justify what she did. Quote: Me personally, I feel nothing. If I was forced to remain pregnant, and everything I tried to induce a miscarriage failed, I would probably shoot myself in the stomach too. But you'd do it before the day it was to be born, ne? Syhereangel Yet, just because I believe that people have a choice, doesn't mean I believe that if at the very last minute, I woman decided she wasn't happy with a child, she can shoot it, and be done it. That, I will not agree with. And this is what I've come to believe. Yes, women have the right to control what goes on in their bodies. However, they also have the responsibility to abort the fetus before it turns into a conscious child. Anybody remember my Great Abortion Compromise? No? Oh, that's right, you forgot all about it because it's a compromise--and so many of you are so damn intent on getting every little thing you want out of a situation that you refuse to listen to reason. I just hopped on over and read both pages of that thread. I noticed something that was missing. There are rather rare cases when pregnancy is not detected (for a variety of reasons) until the beginning of the second trimester. Birth control failure is one of them, especially in the case of Seasonale and similar formulations that allow a withdrawal bleed only four times a year. There are hormonal disorders, "shadow periods", etc. that will allow a woman to unknowingly continue a pregnancy past the elective stage. It is inherently unfair to those women. I'm pretty sure you'll agree -- maybe an update is needed?
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:04 pm
I think that the debate has been discontinued. sweatdrop Anyways, COMPLIMENT MEH! heart Tell me how wonderful, unique, and DMAN HILARIOUS my rearrangements are! blaugh
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