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 Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:49 pm
Utakan BakaTulip People calling Raoul a fop makes me want to cry crying ... my gf now calls him a fop just to irk me. Which is why I'm here. XD I am the holy hand born of the unholy union of Erik and Nadir's DNA to lay the smack down on unruly FANgirls and guys. Or maybe I'm just insane. Why not both?
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:49 am
Yay! the fanclub of Raoul lives again!
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:43 am
I love you people. Finally, people who agree with what Ive been saying for years!
*sigh* Always the same fop arguement with my phan friend. Everytime we get close to a breakthrough, she reverts to her her Erik love and WON'T SEE REASON. I almost want to be frusturated with Erik. Erik, you've closed the mind of many a phan! And yet...I still love you. crying
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:09 pm
BakaTulip Utakan BakaTulip People calling Raoul a fop makes me want to cry crying ... my gf now calls him a fop just to irk me. Which is why I'm here. XD I am the holy hand born of the unholy union of Erik and Nadir's DNA to lay the smack down on unruly FANgirls and guys. Or maybe I'm just insane. Why not both? Good question. o_o
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:34 pm
Leroux jumps to Raoul's Defense:
Here is what I figured out listening to the book on my ipod:
-Raoul's mother died giving birth to him and his father died when he was 12, that's pretty darn tragic if you ask me. Not as tragic as Erik's life... nothing could be... but ALL the three main characters are pretty tragic in their own way.
-Why did Raoul meet Christine again? It was ALL Phillipe. It says in the book he knew how to balance work and "Pleasure" and makes specific references to him being "on terms with Sorelli" Read: He's sleeping around. And Phillipe is kind trying to get Raoul to lighten up since he is pretty evidently working hard as a Sailor. Phillipe brought Raoul to the Opera as a way of having him enjoy life a bit more
-Did we mention his brother owns ALL the property... Raoul and his sisters essentially have squat.
-I think the above might imply that Raoul works too much and is probably still a virgin at 21.
-What happens when he sees Christine again? Raoul goes melty! Awww, he really is in love with her.
-We know Raoul is a bit pansyish and weeps openly- that's what men did in those days... there was not this machoness myth. Also we're talking about FRANCE, the country where Pink is a masculine color! (I learned this through Gundam Wing XD) But guess what everyone! Erik is all weepy too!
-Why does everyone hate on Raoul? Because he could read what Erik was doing before Christine did. Boo-yah. Anyone recall him trying to tell Christine someone was toying with her emotions? What was Erik doing? Playing on the emotional tie to her dead father using the Angel of Music gimmick. He's not exactly slow on the uptake
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:02 pm
BakaTulip Leroux jumps to Raoul's Defense: Here is what I figured out listening to the book on my ipod: -Raoul's mother died giving birth to him and his father died when he was 12, that's pretty darn tragic if you ask me. Not as tragic as Erik's life... nothing could be... but ALL the three main characters are pretty tragic in their own way. -Why did Raoul meet Christine again? It was ALL Phillipe. It says in the book he knew how to balance work and "Pleasure" and makes specific references to him being "on terms with Sorelli" Read: He's sleeping around. And Phillipe is kind trying to get Raoul to lighten up since he is pretty evidently working hard as a Sailor. Phillipe brought Raoul to the Opera as a way of having him enjoy life a bit more -Did we mention his brother owns ALL the property... Raoul and his sisters essentially have squat. -I think the above might imply that Raoul works too much and is probably still a virgin at 21. -What happens when he sees Christine again? Raoul goes melty! Awww, he really is in love with her. -We know Raoul is a bit pansyish and weeps openly- that's what men did in those days... there was not this machoness myth. Also we're talking about FRANCE, the country where Pink is a masculine color! (I learned this through Gundam Wing XD) But guess what everyone! Erik is all weepy too! -Why does everyone hate on Raoul? Because he could read what Erik was doing before Christine did. Boo-yah. Anyone recall him trying to tell Christine someone was toying with her emotions? What was Erik doing? Playing on the emotional tie to her dead father using the Angel of Music gimmick. He's not exactly slow on the uptake Not only that, but he was hellbent to get to the bottom of the Angel of Music act Erik was putting on with Christine. He risked his life and put his trust in someone he did not know (The Persian) and went below in the catacombs of the Opera house, only to fall into a trap. Though he did pretty much go insane through that, he was risking all he had to get Christine. And it was evident that if he wanted Christine as a wife, his title as Viscount (or even Count since Philippe died) would suffer and he would probably lose that and any money entitled to him. He was in every way the typical hero of books. He risked life, limb, and wealth for love and was going all out to protect Christine as well. Erik was destroying his abode and his poorly stitched life to have Christine, but Raoul was the soothing touch to her. He was sewing back up what Erik had reaped, so to speak. Opposite forces opposing one another for one thing that would complete them both. Ultimately good has to win over evil.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:31 am
Uta, I totally bow to your 1337 analysis skills. XD
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:55 am
BakaTulip Uta, I totally bow to your 1337 analysis skills. XD Aw *modest blush* Nah. I'm just crazy insane like that. XD
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:31 am
Ah, but you both forget. That's in Leroux.
Eeeveryone knows that ALW is the only verse that matters, and Raoul's a thick-headed pansy wuss person with poufy hair who doesn't believe in teh awesome Phantom!
Ow, that hurt to type.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:40 am
PhantomoftheFox Ah, but you both forget. That's in Leroux. Eeeveryone knows that ALW is the only verse that matters, and Raoul's a thick-headed pansy wuss person with poufy hair who doesn't believe in teh awesome Phantom! Ow, that hurt to type. Not true! crying and even in that he still risks his life (alone) to find Christine. Just because she saved herself and him doesn't change anything.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:44 am
BakaTulip PhantomoftheFox Ah, but you both forget. That's in Leroux. Eeeveryone knows that ALW is the only verse that matters, and Raoul's a thick-headed pansy wuss person with poufy hair who doesn't believe in teh awesome Phantom! Ow, that hurt to type. Not true! crying and even in that he still risks his life (alone) to find Christine. Just because she saved herself and him doesn't change anything. He has a point. We may go by Leroux, but just about every other "phan" we get is going to praise Webber or some other book and call Raoul a little foppish b***h with flippy hair. It's true. You wouldn't believe how many join requests I go through with the message of "omfg phantom rulz and raul is teh b***h and should die!!111 lolz"
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:48 am
Utakan BakaTulip PhantomoftheFox Ah, but you both forget. That's in Leroux. Eeeveryone knows that ALW is the only verse that matters, and Raoul's a thick-headed pansy wuss person with poufy hair who doesn't believe in teh awesome Phantom! Ow, that hurt to type. Not true! crying and even in that he still risks his life (alone) to find Christine. Just because she saved herself and him doesn't change anything. He has a point. We may go by Leroux, but just about every other "phan" we get is going to praise Webber or some other book and call Raoul a little foppish b***h with flippy hair. It's true. You wouldn't believe how many join requests I go through with the message of "omfg phantom rulz and raul is teh b***h and should die!!111 lolz" Note how "phan" is in """s Webber sucks anyways *muttergrumble* There are times when I hate, with a passion, his musical... there are other times I spur of the moment get a standing room only ticket and kill my legs over the course of a three hour period
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:54 am
BakaTulip Utakan BakaTulip PhantomoftheFox Ah, but you both forget. That's in Leroux. Eeeveryone knows that ALW is the only verse that matters, and Raoul's a thick-headed pansy wuss person with poufy hair who doesn't believe in teh awesome Phantom! Ow, that hurt to type. Not true! crying and even in that he still risks his life (alone) to find Christine. Just because she saved herself and him doesn't change anything. He has a point. We may go by Leroux, but just about every other "phan" we get is going to praise Webber or some other book and call Raoul a little foppish b***h with flippy hair. It's true. You wouldn't believe how many join requests I go through with the message of "omfg phantom rulz and raul is teh b***h and should die!!111 lolz" Note how "phan" is in """s Webber sucks anyways *muttergrumble* There are times when I hate, with a passion, his musical... there are other times I spur of the moment get a standing room only ticket and kill my legs over the course of a three hour period Mmm. I agree wholeheartedly. Webber may have created a nice musical and all, but he's also ruined the minds of those I sift through in joining requests each day. He's totally twisted the story to his own liking, making it seem as if "oh woe is teh Erik!!11" and Christine shoulda been with his fugly self instead of Raoul. Buuuut a lot of people don't bring reality to the situation of WHAT IF she actually went with him. They just get busy with thoughts of the "fop" dying. And whoever began the trend of calling Raoul a fop really needs to be slapped with a Dictionary. Or a phone book. Whatever cracks the skull easier.
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:07 pm
A hardcover dictionary, so that when they regain conciousness they can read it and maybe finally get the actual definition of the word.
I concur with the love/hate of ALW. It's a good show, but in writing the role of Christine for his own love interest, Webber essential made the Phantom a mary sue self insert and Raoul a prop. Most of the Raoul-bashers I've argued with have cited the 'slave of fashion' line for how their calling Raoul a fop is canon.
But in recent news, the people over at the R.A,O.U.L. yahoo group are working on starting a writing challenge. Something about Raoul or pro-Raoul in 500 words or more. We haven't got the specifics yet, but if anyone has the time and feels like contributing I can post them...
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:27 pm
You've piqued my interest on that one. Please do hand them over so I might cough up something Pro-Raoul. XD
And by the by, "slave of fashion" is just an insult. You call someone a b***h when you're mad at them right? Or even the son/daughter of a whore. But that doesn't MAKE them one. It's just a name you give them because you're angry at them and wish to degrate them. Erik was ticked because Christine was falling for Raoul all over again and the guy was ruining his plans to have Christine to himself.
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